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The right of way
« on: September 04, 2007, 10:31:35 AM »
Great one guys! Kudos to you. I can already see a feature in the AOPA website  ;D

But just a thought: You make the airline pilots seem to be the bad guys. They are not at fault (unless they are brainwashed too). It's the big heads that are to blame. But I guess there's no easy way to show that in a strip. The pilots are after all the companies' representatives.
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Re: The right of way
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2007, 02:33:08 PM »
Scorp, way too many of them ARE that brainwashed! ::complaining: 

In my travels in California and elsewhere, I am constantly re-routed to stay clear of airline traffic, and I am held to lower cruising altitudes than I used to routinely use in order to accomodate airline traffic.  This in a system that is supposed to be "First come, First served".  I am afraid that policy actually went by the wayside around 15 years ago, and now the system is "Airlines are first amoung equals" although the first statement is official policy.

There is something to be said about the superior "snotty" attitude exhibited by many airline pilots, and I am glad Mike and Stef decided to tackle it in their cartoon.  Many of them have this overblown image of themselves and greatly exaggerate their importance to everyone around them.  Management's view of them is much closer to the reality; they are expensive Bus Drivers that drive a Bus with Wings.

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Re: The right of way
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2007, 03:41:22 PM »
Sorry to hear so...

But, hey, on that other thing... How many bananas would it take? I might take you on that offer.. I can be a real ape sometimes  ::rofl:: ::rofl:: ::rofl::
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Re: The right of way
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2007, 05:14:53 PM »
Everybody who flies IFR knows that the airlines already get the right of way and have been getting it for a long time. In certain circumstances I totally understand. It costs a lot of money to keep these things in a holding pattern while a C-172 tries it's first training-IFR approach and I wouldn't want to be behind one of those either. But they want more and more and are affecting other GA traffic that can easily keep up with them like light twins and private jets and I don't think that's right.

Every time I take off out of Las Vegas (as a passenger with South West) in the mornings I can't help but notice that about 30 flights leave between 7am and 8am which makes for a HUGE line at security and a traffic jam on the way to the ruway. The last time the captain told us we're number 12 (!) in line for take-off and it took us 40min to get there. And since I live next to the airport I can often see them all bunched up on the taxiway.

Now, you also have to look at their view as well. If I am Delta for example and my research shows that everybody wants to go to Boise at 8am in the morning, I would schedule a flight there for this time I guess. My reasoning would be that if I schedule the flight to leave at 9am because 8am is already crammed full with Southwest flights to avoid the traffic, I would lose my customers because they would look for whichever flight leaves at 8am. See what I am getting at? (even though the flight won't be off the ground by 9am anyways.... ;))

And Cruiser is right, I do sometimes see the airline pilots being a little "disconnected" from their roots in GA. A lot of us forget sometimes where they came from. I am guilty of that as well every now and them. But I got all of you and Chuck to keep me in check!  ;)
It's just a little different if you do this for a living day in and day out and it's easier for airline pilots to forget because they don't interact with their groundcrews as much as helo pilots do. With out my support and my mechanics, and especially my fueltruck, . . . I'd fly for about 2hrs and/or 280 miles and I am done. Plus we seldom operate out of big airports with our "choppers"....

So please keep in mind, we are not trying to target airline pilots with this thing, but the attitude of big airline corporations which someof them might get caught up in.
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Re: The right of way
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2007, 09:37:49 PM »
You think its a nightmare for you as pilots?  Try being a controller and trying to get everyone off and in at the same time with close to no delays.  Tracon controllers are true artists when peak times hit.
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Re: The right of way
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2007, 11:19:56 PM »
So please keep in mind, we are not trying to target airline pilots with this thing, but the attitude of big airline corporations which some of them might get caught up in.
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I never thought otherwise Mike! Sorry if I didn't put it in the right words if I was misunderstood.
I too am a regular at the AOPA website and have been monitoring the whole FAA funding/GA vs Airlines matter for almost a year now. I too hate seeing what I call the last GA/small commercial paradise, North America that is, being forced to the ground by the airlines. I know where this is going to end if they get their way, I live in Europe. More so, I happen to live in a country where aviation is in the medieval era  :)

So I did laugh, with a devious smile and did get the point. I actually like it even more when you are being satyristic (that in my language means being critical in a funny way) than plain humorous.

But I'm away from the dance and don't even know the steps. I'm not a pilot (yet  ::wave::). So I am just being romantic about all pilots being one and the same.


Anyway, to get back to the humour part, I laughed my ass off when I saw the sign "The Mocha Maker Mecca". That got me! Don't ask why, I don't know. Maybe I can relate to the guy with the green hat. Working the cafeteria at the airport to pay for flight instruction  :D
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Re: The right of way
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2007, 05:35:13 PM »
Anyway, to get back to the humour part, I laughed my ass off when I saw the sign "The Mocha Maker Mecca". That got me! Don't ask why, I don't know. Maybe I can relate to the guy with the green hat. Working the cafeteria at the airport to pay for flight instruction  :D

HA HA!  :D

I am glad you caught that! We came up with that last minute the day before we posted the strip. A lot of strips have things like that in there and we're always curious if you guys catch it or not and how long it takes you . . .
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Re: The right of way
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2007, 04:17:54 AM »
I have to be fair.. It's getting better lately!

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Re: The right of way
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2007, 04:23:38 AM »
HAHAHA, the first Chuck, oh dude that was totally a duesie!!  ::bow:: ::rofl:: ::wave::

It's a pretty lame excuse to blame GA for delays I must say. And the explanation you guys presented about planned times and realistic times sounds very clausible as the true truth.

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Re: The right of way
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2007, 02:55:49 PM »
If some pilots ever pushed me out of the way like that, then they would be right about GA delaying commercial flights. See if they ever pushed me (I am a GA pilot) then the flight would be delayed. But it would be because the pilot who did the pushing was now in traction. Maybe you have to follow the rules when tower lays them out, but afterwards.....no!
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Re: The right of way
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2007, 03:48:55 PM »
This one is for all of you:

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Re: The right of way
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2007, 04:00:46 PM »
Now THIS is hilarious! :D
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Re: The right of way
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2007, 05:11:14 PM »
Oh snap, Mike and Stef have some competition.... |:)\

BTW just for knowledge sake, Flight Levels start at 180  ;D
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Re: The right of way
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2007, 05:25:27 PM »
Oh snap, Mike and Stef have some competition.... |:)\

BTW just for knowledge sake, Flight Levels start at 180  ;D

Not in Greece... If you want to catch on words, go for Ascend instead of Climb to FL ;)
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Re: The right of way
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2007, 06:10:17 PM »
Hehe.. All correct. Guess it was too spontaneous to think about FL and ascend/climb twice  ::rofl::
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