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Offline Baradium

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So you want to be a regional airline pilot?
« on: December 27, 2006, 10:06:48 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RayMaswju1A

The link above will show the video if it doesn't show on the page...

Worth watching, don't know whether it's funny or sad though... ;)

Hits a bit close to home!


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« Last Edit: December 27, 2006, 10:09:50 AM by Baradium »
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Re: So you want to be a regional airline pilot?
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2006, 10:25:59 AM »
While I've never wanted to fly regional passengerliners, especially not after the cool stories from this forum (well I think they're cool anyway, and they gave the real life practical picture and not a hollywood-version), but that video still put flying in a bad light in several ways, kind of depressing. But of course, I'd be dumb to only relie on that little video for guidance of my life. Btw, who's Frank?

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Re: So you want to be a regional airline pilot?
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2006, 10:53:09 AM »
Frank is an airline CEO I think.   ;)



Well it didn't so much put the flying in the bad light I don't think, it just put pay scales in a bad light....   just highlights that you really have to enjoy flying for the flying to be in the regionals.  Because you sure aren't going to do it to get rich.

You know what the big advantage is to fly for a regional passenger airline?  You get to fly a LOT.     


The guy really really doesn't like GoJets I think.  ;)     He has another video which I think is more amusing, but he um... really really doesn't like GoJets...

And here's an explanation why:  (from http://jtrain609.flyblog.com/2006/05/31/gojets/ )
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GoJets
Why nobody should ever go and fly with GoJets…ever.

To understand why pilots are so pissed off about GoJets, you need to understand how the regional airline industry works. When you see an airplane flying around that says, “United Express” or “Delta Connection” on it, they’re not United or Delta airplanes. Those aircraft are operated by companies that are contracted out and paid to do the “feeder” flying for mainline companies. These are companies like Mesa, ExpressJet, Colgan, Trans States and GoJets.

The aircraft are operated by a separate company with a separate pilot group and a separate contract. The first officer is probably paid about $20,000 a year and the captain might be making $45,000 a year. At some places, the pilots will be away from home as many as 22 days a month. Long story short, it is anything but a dream job for most pilots. But it IS a step up from instructing, and even though the pay is low there is an opportunity to upgrade to captain after a handful of years and start building some PIC turbine time, which is needed to move up to that coveted job at the major airlines.

So why is GoJets such a problem? It’s the nature of the GoJets business model. You see GoJets was designed as a way to circumvent the union at Trans States Airlines. TSA Holdings owns by GoJets and TSA and has created GoJets because the TSA pilot group refused to fly 70 seat regional jets for sub industry standard wages. It is generally accepted that regional airline pay scales are already low and anything that makes them lower is bad. But what TSA Holdings did with GoJets goes beyond trying to simply pay pilots less. With this move, TSA Holdings has said to the world that unions don’t matter and any attempt to raise the quality of life for pilots will be stomped down by management creating a sister company that will operate outside the bounds of the original union.

Normally this is illegal, but TSA holdings has found a way around current labor laws. The problem now is that anybody that takes a job at GoJets fully knows that the job they are taking is there has no other purpose than to screw another pilot group. Imagine if you will that you worked at McDonnalds. McDonnalds decided they you were paid too much, and said that they wanted you take a paycut so that McDonnalds could continue to grow. When you refused, McDonnalds opened a McDons next door you, paying the employee’s there less than you do. After a year or two, McDonnalds would point to McDons and say “See? You have to take a pay cut now, McDons employee’s are willing to work for less than you do, so we don’t have any reason to keep you employed at your current pay rate.”

Moral of the story?  If you want to fly airplanes, have at it!  Just don't apply to GoJets....
« Last Edit: December 27, 2006, 10:58:41 AM by Baradium »
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Re: So you want to be a regional airline pilot?
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2006, 11:17:12 AM »
The second video (which I havn't posted)  has a quote that I really like:

"To fly west, my friend, is a flight we all must take for a final check."
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Re: So you want to be a regional airline pilot?
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2006, 04:57:53 PM »
So by comparison, how much does a corporate skyjock make per year? I think I'd rather take that route than fly regional anyway.

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Re: So you want to be a regional airline pilot?
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2006, 05:26:34 PM »
Wow!  :o

I am shocked! $20k a year?
45k for a Captain?

the industry sure has swung the other way!
...almost worth spending more money for your training, and become a helicopter pilot.....
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Re: So you want to be a regional airline pilot?
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2006, 05:41:28 PM »
Although I like heli pilots, the contraptions you guys fly scare the beejeebus out of me. Sticking with fixed wings.

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Re: So you want to be a regional airline pilot?
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2006, 05:49:17 PM »
Ah yea, yet another reason why ATC is so much better.  Pay for us, after the latest contract screw over, starts at 31k plus locality pay, which say for the LA/NY area is about 23% your base pay so I could be looking at making near 40k walking through the doors of my first center.  And with in 5 to 10 years of being fully checked out on the systems, and making pay steps, well over 150k.

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Re: So you want to be a regional airline pilot?
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2006, 06:27:56 PM »
I think the tour pilots in Vegas start with about 45k, some of the senior fire pilots, especially the ones on heavy ships like the cranes, make well over 120k...

controller is really not a bad job in aviation. that's what I would have done if the whole flying thing wouldn't have worked out.....
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Re: So you want to be a regional airline pilot?
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2006, 06:29:38 PM »
$20K?!?!?!?!?  ::unbelieveable:: I make more than that doing line sevice. Our new hire king air FO's make more than that. maybe you should look into part 135 stuff.


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Re: So you want to be a regional airline pilot?
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2006, 01:46:45 AM »
Wow!  :o

I am shocked! $20k a year?
45k for a Captain?

the industry sure has swung the other way!
...almost worth spending more money for your training, and become a helicopter pilot.....

Regional airlines traditionally havn't paid all that well.   People just never realized it.  ;)


$20K?!?!?!?!?  ::unbelieveable:: I make more than that doing line sevice. Our new hire king air FO's make more than that. maybe you should look into part 135 stuff.


Brian

That 135 stuff takes connections too.  ;)    The fun thing about this buisiness, gotta have connections to get anywhere!    I'd like to do something that could allow me to live in Alaska (or at least another open state), which puts restrictions on 135 options...
« Last Edit: December 28, 2006, 01:48:55 AM by Baradium »
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In a world that keeps on pushin' me around
But I stand my ground, and I won't back down"
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Re: So you want to be a regional airline pilot?
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2006, 02:12:18 AM »
So by comparison, how much does a corporate skyjock make per year? I think I'd rather take that route than fly regional anyway.

KW

Corporate guys tend to make more, but getting to corporate is a problem too.  ;)

Seems you usually need to do at least  a year or two with a regional to build up multiengine turbine time before going to a corporate flight department.  It can be much more than that, depending on what kind of department.  For example, at Flight Options, which is a fractional and doesn't have any surprisingly high pay scale or anything, you need to have a connection inside the company *and* have ATP minimums.  Starting pay is just under 34,000 a year on a set salary.

Check out www.airlinepilotcentral.com for an idea.  No idea what a regular corporate department averages...
"Well I know what's right, I got just one life
In a world that keeps on pushin' me around
But I stand my ground, and I won't back down"
  -Johnny Cash "I won't back Down"