So... d'ya think he got a ticket???

[fireflyr]

Who taught him to try a restart in the pattern?  Just land the damn thing.

You are exactly right Gulf,   however, some folks still think the airplane won't fly unless the engine is making noise

[undatc]

Yea no kiddin.  We practice that here all the time.  They will kill your throttle mid field, ask for a short approach and you gotta land the plane from ehre ever you are.

[fireflyr]

Yea no kiddin.  We practice that here all the time.  They will kill your throttle mid field, ask for a short approach and you gotta land the plane from ehre ever you are.

I've done that with students too but they forget the priorities which are;
(1) Aviate (2) Navigate (3) Communicate
And what makes some people forget number (1) is that they have never considered just how quiet an airplane really gets when the engine quits completely and they get distracted (also completely)

[undatc]

yea, i always liked doing power off approaches, for some reason they were easier for me

[fireflyr]

yea, i always liked doing power off approaches, for some reason they were easier for me

Yeah but you still have that engine idling away, ready to add power---Have you experienced  an inflight shut down with the prop stopped?

For fun sometime, go get yourself a flight instructor who is capable of demonstrating engine off performance.  Then go out about 6 or 8 miles from the airport and at about 5,000 AGL, stage cool the engine, shut it down, stop the prop, and glide on back---in a light trainer, you will have enough altitude to make the airport and do a 1080 overhead approach.    I have demonstrated it on a number of occasions and  use it as confidence builder---do not do this on your own!                   Do flight schools even teach 1080s anymore?

Anyway, it is different than a power off approach and you will be amazed at how much stopping the prop decreases the sink rate.

I know a guy with a 182 who ran out of fuel 10 miles from the airport at about 6 or 7,000 AGL and crashed a half mile from the runway because he (1) let the prop windmill, (2) failed to maintain best glide speed and (3) tried to figure out a right base entry to the pattern.  He and his 3 passengers walked (crawled actually) out of a totalled airplane simply because he panicked when everything became silent.  The solution to this problem training, training, training and learning a circling overhead approach (1080) is the key.
Lets face it, glider/sailplane train for zero thrust flight and it's not a big deal BUT you have to be right the first time, everytime!

[undatc]

Yeah but you still have that engine idling away, ready to add power---Have you experienced  an inflight shut down with the prop stopped?

For fun sometime, go get yourself a flight instructor who is capable of demonstrating engine off performance.  Then go out about 6 or 8 miles from the airport and at about 5,000 AGL, stage cool the engine, shut it down, stop the prop, and glide on back---in a light trainer, you will have enough altitude to make the airport and do a 1080 overhead approach.    I have demonstrated it on a number of occasions and  use it as confidence builder---do not do this on your own!                   Do flight schools even teach 1080s anymore?

Anyway, it is different than a power off approach and you will be amazed at how much stopping the prop decreases the sink rate.

I know a guy with a 182 who ran out of fuel 10 miles from the airport at about 6 or 7,000 AGL and crashed a half mile from the runway because he (1) let the prop windmill, (2) failed to maintain best glide speed and (3) tried to figure out a right base entry to the pattern.  He and his 3 passengers walked (crawled actually) out of a totalled airplane simply because he panicked when everything became silent.  The solution to this problem training, training, training and learning a circling overhead approach (1080) is the key.
Lets face it, glider/sailplane train for zero thrust flight and it's not a big deal BUT you have to be right the first time, everytime!

I dont know about other places, but one of the training things we they teach or every engine failure is to hit best glide, and circle till we find our landing spot.  From there we try to do a normal pattern, cutting base short if we need to to make the runway.

[fireflyr]

Yeah but you still have that engine idling away, ready to add power---Have you experienced  an inflight shut down with the prop stopped?

For fun sometime, go get yourself a flight instructor who is capable of demonstrating engine off performance.  Then go out about 6 or 8 miles from the airport and at about 5,000 AGL, stage cool the engine, shut it down, stop the prop, and glide on back---in a light trainer, you will have enough altitude to make the airport and do a 1080 overhead approach.    I have demonstrated it on a number of occasions and  use it as confidence builder---do not do this on your own!                   Do flight schools even teach 1080s anymore?

Anyway, it is different than a power off approach and you will be amazed at how much stopping the prop decreases the sink rate.

I know a guy with a 182 who ran out of fuel 10 miles from the airport at about 6 or 7,000 AGL and crashed a half mile from the runway because he (1) let the prop windmill, (2) failed to maintain best glide speed and (3) tried to figure out a right base entry to the pattern.  He and his 3 passengers walked (crawled actually) out of a totalled airplane simply because he panicked when everything became silent.  The solution to this problem training, training, training and learning a circling overhead approach (1080) is the key.
Lets face it, glider/sailplane train for zero thrust flight and it's not a big deal BUT you have to be right the first time, everytime!

I dont know about other places, but one of the training things we they teach or every engine failure is to hit best glide, and circle till we find our landing spot.  From there we try to do a normal pattern, cutting base short if we need to to make the runway.

Well gee, if that's what they teach then I guess that's the best answer for you      

[Nottoohinortoofast]

Has everyone seen this yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1hV04umEug

That's the definition of idiocy ? right ? 

Anyone actually know anything about how this plane actually got there ? (not the MiG, the tree-bashing-Cessna)