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Offline Baradium

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Re: Great Answer
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2008, 09:25:05 AM »
Quote from: Ragwing on December 16, 2008, 05:09:59 AM
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You two are good aviation historians.
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I thought it would take a little longer.
In spite of the fact that many of the flyers on this forum use water to fight fires. ::whistle::


Sorry, I just happened to know the answer already.  ;)


Regarding the windows... pulled up both pictures and looked for a while.  I'd decided it was a factor of the angle.

At least I think the 707 was one of the few the russians didn't have a clone of.  ;)

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Re: Bush Flying
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2008, 09:45:33 AM »
 ::thinking:: got to check on that Bar I know they did copy the VC-10 at one time.
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Re: Bush Flying
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2008, 10:50:43 AM »
Why would Russians do it when Americans did it already? B707 vs DC8.

By the way, at about that time, Russians were intodrucing Tu-114, very interesting turboprop, that I am not sure if it did not even outnumber 707s.
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Re: Bush Flying
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2008, 11:33:41 AM »
Quote from: Fabo on December 16, 2008, 10:50:43 AM
Why would Russians do it when Americans did it already? B707 vs DC8.

By the way, at about that time, Russians were intodrucing Tu-114, very interesting turboprop, that I am not sure if it did not even outnumber 707s.

Same reason they made a clone of the B-727 and some others? 

They especially loved to not have to reinvent the wheel.  If there was a successful design, they didn't care about stealing plans or getting ahold of an actual airplane and reverse engineering.

Was it a B-29 that they captured and then later built their own of?  Whatever the aircraft, they were so faithful to the original that they built it with repair patches that the captured plane had.
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Re: Bush Flying
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2008, 02:15:27 PM »
the russians copied concorde (concordski) the plans where actually stolen but the brit/french designers changed it by adding canards and even had a version of the DC-3/C-47/RB-3 that had a turret above the cockpit. they did copy the B-29 but was a failure.
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Re: Bush Flying
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2008, 06:25:39 PM »
Well for one, you obviosly did not get a joke-like attitude in my first sentence. My bad, should have used smile.

Li-2 is officially licensed version of Dakota, no copy or whatever you may think.

And I have no idea what plane could be copy of B-727 on Russian side. I am not sure about other designes that may have been "stolen" as you can not really come to totally different outcomes for one purpose using given technology. And "inspiration" sure was profiting for both sides.

And Oddball, I am puzzled, Concorde never had any canards?
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Re: Bush Flying
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2008, 06:44:43 PM »
thats what they changed about concorde they added canards onto the plans
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Re: Great Answer
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2008, 03:53:14 AM »
Quote from: Baradium on December 16, 2008, 09:25:05 AM
At least I think the 707 was one of the few the Russians didn't have a clone of.  ;)
The Russians did not.  But the Chinese did.
One of the 707's that were sold to China during President Richard Nixon's administration was disassembled and copied.
It was a failure.
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Re: Bush Flying
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2008, 08:41:05 PM »
Quote from: Baradium on December 16, 2008, 11:33:41 AM
Quote from: Fabo on December 16, 2008, 10:50:43 AM
Why would Russians do it when Americans did it already? B707 vs DC8.

By the way, at about that time, Russians were intodrucing Tu-114, very interesting turboprop, that I am not sure if it did not even outnumber 707s.

Same reason they made a clone of the B-727 and some others? 

They especially loved to not have to reinvent the wheel.  If there was a successful design, they didn't care about stealing plans or getting ahold of an actual airplane and reverse engineering.

Was it a B-29 that they captured and then later built their own of?  Whatever the aircraft, they were so faithful to the original that they built it with repair patches that the captured plane had.

...and ended up with the same engine heat problems, too.  ::rofl::
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Re: Bush Flying
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2008, 09:01:27 PM »
I can see that I need to post a few more pics to get back on subject... >:D

The rainy season has arrived in southern Africa in force, I am afraid.  I attempted to fly to Zumbo this morning, but a line of severe thunderstorms blocked my way and I had to turn back.  Probably a good thing.  I spoke to a rotor-head this evening that overflew the strip today and he said it was unusable for a PC12.  Not only was there standing water on the strip, there were no less than three sinkholes in the runway!

Pics to follow...

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Re: Bush Flying
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2008, 09:06:34 PM »
Top:  The Savi river in Mozambique.  This river has its sources in Zimbabwe and is known there as the Saba.  It is a typical braided river with a large bed and a trickle of water in the dry season.  Once the rains begin in earnest I'm certain it will fill the riverbed.  Note the clearings of the bush in the foreground.  Each has a collection of mud huts where people live and tend to cattle or goats for their livelihood.

Middle:  The Saba river flows out of Zimbabwe to become the Savi.

Bottom:  Maputo is the capitol of Mozambique.  It is a city of about 2-5 million people along the Indian Ocean.
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Re: Bush Flying
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2008, 09:10:51 PM »
Last but not least, here is an aerial shot of the city I am based at.  Its a frontier town, but not a bad place to be.

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Re: Bush Flying
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2008, 04:16:40 AM »
R/C sweet pics mate!!  8)

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Re: Bush Flying
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2008, 04:25:47 AM »
Oh that's easy Gibbo.  Home by Christmas (I hope), where I'll try to survive a wife and two kids smothering me with affection after having missed me for the last two months!  Hehe.

Here's to Christmas with the family, and to surviving the smothering attempt!   ::drinking:: ::drinking:: ::drinking:: ::drinking:: ::drinking:: ::drinking::
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Re: Bush Flying
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2008, 09:48:08 AM »
where did these pics come from?  ::thinking:: .........i thought we where talking about Russina aircraft desgin in this thread (sorry R/C  ;D )
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