Author Topic: Beer Trivia  (Read 20416 times)

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Re: Beer Trivia
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2007, 05:09:07 AM »
I dont know bout you Frank---got to be something fishy bout a guy who does'n t drink alcohol.. ::whistle:: ::drinking::

So Airtac, you goin south? I see Panaca Jane is in San Diego, and I just got the call to get "ready to go". Unfortunatly, LaFawnduh is in peices right now, so I will have to take her identical hangar sister, (well apart from the N#).
I'm on standby but probably not---them puppies are turning into helicopter shows ::complaining: ::complaining:

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Re: Beer Trivia
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2007, 08:27:41 AM »
Just read a newspaper article that was saying they were getting 75 mph winds out there....  doesn't sound too fun...
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Re: Beer Trivia
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2007, 12:30:52 AM »
Yeah, I heard gusts of 91 knots.  Now..  THAT is just UGLEEEEEEEEE.   ::silly::

That is some tough, rugged, dramatic country, with wild weather....  and then throw in several million people, with urban problems......  it is one tough place to fight fire, for sure.   

A pilot friend was killed in 2003 when headed to the fires there...  there's something very humbling when you remember this country has been burning for thousands of years...  and, we're all recent, new visitors in this arena.....    |:)\
Don't make me come back there!!!!

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Re: Beer Trivia
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2007, 01:20:13 AM »
Boy, how you guys get from talking about beer to 91mph winds is kind of amazing.
 ::drinking:: ::drinking:: ::drinking::

I can see this one is not invented:
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Re: Beer Trivia
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2007, 01:46:05 AM »
Haw haw, no kidding!!!!!!!!    ;D

I guess, because the WINDS between my EARS were 78 G 91, well, that just kind of naturally slipped in here.................    ::rofl::
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Re: Beer Trivia
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2007, 08:43:09 AM »
What can you even do with those winds?  Even on the ground it seems it'd be impossible to slow a fire down....
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Re: Beer Trivia
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2007, 05:35:39 PM »
I actually turned my TV on now that everybody keeps talking about the fires and watched a few mediums drop water in the wind and it looked like it did nothing at all.
You can't do much in these winds, you're totally right. Even if you hit the fire, the ambers will re-ignite it before you get back to the dip-site.

But keep in mind that this is also a political game. The public and especially the people who just lost their houses need to see that "something at least" is getting done. You can't order 30 helicopters and then have them all just sit there. It looks bad.
We'll won't catch it until the wind dies down, but at least it looks like we're making an effort.
See how that works?!  ;)
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Re: Beer Trivia
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2007, 03:34:25 AM »
I actually turned my TV on now that everybody keeps talking about the fires and watched a few mediums drop water in the wind and it looked like it did nothing at all.
You can't do much in these winds, you're totally right. Even if you hit the fire, the ambers will re-ignite it before you get back to the dip-site.

But keep in mind that this is also a political game. The public and especially the people who just lost their houses need to see that "something at least" is getting done. You can't order 30 helicopters and then have them all just sit there. It looks bad.
We'll won't catch it until the wind dies down, but at least it looks like we're making an effort.
See how that works?!  ;)
|:)\ THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT |:)\
Same reason the DC 10 supertanker is being used---POLITICS !!!  ::banghead::

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Re: Beer Trivia
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2007, 05:32:49 AM »
|:)\ THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT |:)\
Same reason the DC 10 supertanker is being used---POLITICS !!!  ::banghead::

And the military blackhawks---I am down here now and will keep my mouth shut for "politics"..

We have a bunch of marine helicopters coming tomorrow with NO vhf radios.. ::banghead:: ::banghead::
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Re: Beer Trivia
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2007, 12:19:47 PM »
with NO vhf radios.. ::banghead:: ::banghead::

Ouch! Well I wish they at least have really well visible anti-col lts...and you good eyesight...
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Re: Beer Trivia
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2007, 03:34:44 PM »
I've worked with the Military helicopters sans VHF radios, (most are great pilots-just no fire experience)  We found the best way was to give them an area of thier own to do bucket work and keep everyone else out

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Re: Beer Trivia
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2007, 04:01:19 AM »
I've worked with the Military helicopters sans VHF radios, (most are great pilots-just no fire experience)  We found the best way was to give them an area of thier own to do bucket work and keep everyone else out

I was flying "Helco" today with six blackhawks...Yes they leave a lot to be desired BUT, they did OK. They just need direction and a little understanding form us, as in, we do this for a living---for them its a once in a while deal. Once they got lined out and had someone show them EXACTLY where to drop and show them the line to fly...they were getting better. For "specific" targets, I will stilluse the regulars, but for "humidity raising" tasks they can help.
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Re: Beer Trivia
« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2007, 08:53:59 AM »
I actually turned my TV on now that everybody keeps talking about the fires and watched a few mediums drop water in the wind and it looked like it did nothing at all.
You can't do much in these winds, you're totally right. Even if you hit the fire, the ambers will re-ignite it before you get back to the dip-site.

But keep in mind that this is also a political game. The public and especially the people who just lost their houses need to see that "something at least" is getting done. You can't order 30 helicopters and then have them all just sit there. It looks bad.
We'll won't catch it until the wind dies down, but at least it looks like we're making an effort.
See how that works?!  ;)

Doesn't make me like it any more...

Risking people and equipment when you know it'll have no effect is stupid, regardless of the excuse.
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Re: Beer Trivia
« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2007, 05:35:25 PM »
K, this is for all you fire pilots, what is your reaction to this article from AvWeb?

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Fingerpointing Starts Over Firefighting Helicopter Delays

 San Diego politicians say foot-dragging by state officials kept 24 firefighting helicopters on the ground for a full day last week, critically hampering firefighting efforts in the early stages as the blazes gathered strength. The helicopters, operated by the military, were grounded because a state regulation requires that all firefighting choppers have a "fire spotter" on board and there weren't enough available. By the time the helicopters were allowed to take off it was too windy for them to fly. On Wednesday the state waived the regulation but now the heat is on state officials to explain the delay in doing so.

"When you look at what's happened, it's disgusting, inexcusable foot-dragging that's put tens of thousands of people in danger," Dana Rohrabacher, a Republican congressman from California, told the London Daily Telegraph. Calif. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Saturday the state will review its policies. "There are things that we could improve on and I think this is what we are going to do because a disaster like this, you know, really, in the end is a good vehicle, a motivator for everyone to come together," he told a news conference. Two Air National Guard C-130s also sat idle because they haven't yet been retrofitted with fire-retardant tanks.

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/986-full.html#196464
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Re: Beer Trivia
« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2007, 07:42:00 PM »
K, this is for all you fire pilots, what is your reaction to this article from AvWeb?

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Fingerpointing Starts Over Firefighting Helicopter Delays

 San Diego politicians say foot-dragging by state officials kept 24 firefighting helicopters on the ground for a full day last week, critically hampering firefighting efforts in the early stages as the blazes gathered strength. The helicopters, operated by the military, were grounded because a state regulation requires that all firefighting choppers have a "fire spotter" on board and there weren't enough available. By the time the helicopters were allowed to take off it was too windy for them to fly. On Wednesday the state waived the regulation but now the heat is on state officials to explain the delay in doing so.

"When you look at what's happened, it's disgusting, inexcusable foot-dragging that's put tens of thousands of people in danger," Dana Rohrabacher, a Republican congressman from California, told the London Daily Telegraph. Calif. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Saturday the state will review its policies. "There are things that we could improve on and I think this is what we are going to do because a disaster like this, you know, really, in the end is a good vehicle, a motivator for everyone to come together," he told a news conference. Two Air National Guard C-130s also sat idle because they haven't yet been retrofitted with fire-retardant tanks.

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/986-full.html#196464
Well, I'm not a fire pilot, but I think this is politics at one of its low points.
I have no idea how difficult it is to fly a helicopter in the conditions you encounter over a fire, but I think that it is a very good idea to have somebody in the cockpit who knows about firefighting. No offense, but the military pilots probably do not have very much experience regarding this kind of flying.
Why should you risk the lives of pilots and millions of dollars worth of equipment? Just to make a political statement ?  ::sick::

I hope this is not too unqualified / exaggerated or not fitting in any other way, but I cannot stand politicians who have no idea of what is going on (I hope that this is not true in this case, but I fear it is), but have all the solutions.
If you really want to get me started just ask me about plans to shoot down hijacked airliners when they are to be used as weapons (something being discussed since 9/11 2001 here in Germany) . . .