Roost Air Lounge => General Discussion => Topic started by: Inept on January 28, 2006, 10:10:27 PM
Title: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Inept on January 28, 2006, 10:10:27 PM
Along the same lines as the greatest lies in aviation, only the opposite. This is for all those little hair raising phrases that we hear in the air or on the flight line. (if this exists elsewhere and I missed it, I apologize)
Skyhawk on 2 mile final for runway 18 Tower: "Skyhawk 123BX, number two following traffic on 1/4 mile final, cleared to land 18. Traffic is a Lear. On landing, expedite departure from runway for following traffic, a Falcon, on 5 mile final."
From your checkride examiner on your Instrument checkride: "You did fine, although I'm not entirely sire that first approach was legal..."
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on January 28, 2006, 10:16:38 PM
"Hi, I'm from the FAA, and I'm here to help."
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Mike on January 28, 2006, 11:54:08 PM
Inside a cockpit, at any time:
"Uh-oh!" :o
(actually...you wouldn't want to hear this in a doctors office either....)
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: fireflyr on January 29, 2006, 11:46:10 AM
I general; OOOOOH S**T!!!!
On landing: Man this thing sure is floating a long ways???------SCRAAAAAAAAPE!!!! (forget the gear?)
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on January 29, 2006, 05:41:03 PM
Ever notice how the engine chooses to run rough only over large bodies of water?
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Mike on January 29, 2006, 05:49:08 PM
Skyhawk on 2 mile final for runway 18 Tower: "Skyhawk 123BX, number two following traffic on 1/4 mile final, cleared to land 18. Traffic is a Lear. On landing, expedite departure from runway for following traffic, a Falcon, on 5 mile final."
I always like to say....
"Looks like a falcon driver is going to get to practice his go around's..."
Usually followed by (from the Tower)
"uhhhh.... Falcon 23V, reduce speed..."
I actually used that at Centenial (KAPA) in Denver, after a long and bumpy flight over the rockies... I was in no mood to play Cowboy on the runway that day.
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on January 31, 2006, 10:36:40 PM
I actually used that at Centenial (KAPA) in Denver, after a long and bumpy flight over the rockies... I was in no mood to play Cowboy on the runway that day.
Good for you.
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: FlyingBlind on January 31, 2006, 10:49:52 PM
FLYYYYYYYYYYYYING THROUUUUUUUUGH THE DANGER ZONE!
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Mike on February 02, 2006, 02:21:36 AM
I was flying on a fire mission with two guys in the back. One of them was kind of heavy to say the least. We called him "Farva" (any of you who have seen my favorite movie "Supertroopers" will know what I am talking about ;)). Anyways we're flying along in my helo straight and level listening to the music I am pumping into the intercom when "Farva" decides to adjust and scoot closer to the window because he saw something of interest... Now, in a light helicopter (helicopters are sensitive to weight and balance anyways) you can feel a 300lb weight-shift. You guys should have seen my foreman and I up front when we were looking at eachother with that "what the . . . ?" - kind of look on our faces!
All was quiet in the cockpit and we both were listening for any funny noises.
Farva must have seen us (or noticed the helicopter rocking) because he finally said "Sorry, guys." Got the adrenaline pumping for a moment though....
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on February 02, 2006, 04:55:24 PM
"I don't want a large Farva."
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Mike on February 02, 2006, 05:07:13 PM
I got this one for real at Bournemouth International (UK) when flying my Mooney
G-XXXX, you are no 1 to land. Speedwing XXXX (Concorde) is no 2 honest.........
HAHA! That's awesome! You couldn't make that up! Got you attention didn't it?! I bet your face looked like this: :o (and the Speedwing drivers like this: >:(...haha)
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Witchblade on February 08, 2006, 03:13:59 AM
The one thing you don't want to hear over your headset at any time : "Oops."
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Mike on February 08, 2006, 03:20:22 AM
true! we actually have a strip about that. It should be running in "Trade-a-Plane" any time now. it's probably gonna be on the website short after.... hehe
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: fireflyr on February 08, 2006, 04:33:29 PM
Is that gas running off the back of the wing?????
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on February 08, 2006, 08:52:46 PM
What's that smell?
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Ted_Stryker on February 10, 2006, 05:25:42 PM
"Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. I'd like to thank the airlines for giving me this opportunity to be your pilot. Why, just last week I was serving soda and pretzels in the back! Now, if anybody wants to try landing this baby, come on up here and read the manual! We're landing in fifteen minutes."
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Frank N. O. on February 10, 2006, 06:32:50 PM
Hahahahaha.
Reminds me of a story I heard that I thin might just squeeze in under this catagory too:
An airliner gets ready to start and taxies towards the runway but is then stopped and thrue the rows of passengers walks two pilots, one says to the other: I can't believe the flight attendants made it this far without us. I retold this story in my own words to get a good punchline, the story was that the two pilots were just along for the ride to fly a plane from another airport but imagine the passengers expressions! LOL
Frank
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: KELPkid on February 14, 2006, 11:23:45 PM
BANG!!!
(That's one sound that'll make your heart skip a beat when you're airborne...) Makes you wonder "Am I being shot at?" or "what did we hit?" ;D
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on February 14, 2006, 11:55:58 PM
You wouldn't think GA pilots would have to worry about being shot at, but there are a few people out there that don't like planes hanging around their houses. I always try to do ground reference maneuvers around empty intersections, and if we have to do anything over or near a home, we don't hang around very long.
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Ted_Stryker on February 15, 2006, 04:18:00 PM
You wouldn't think GA pilots would have to worry about being shot at, but there are a few people out there that don't like planes hanging around their houses. I always try to do ground reference maneuvers around empty intersections, and if we have to do anything over or near a home, we don't hang around very long.
One thing that I never thought about (until I flew with C.A.P.) is that some of those people on the ground that have things to hide (like what crop is growing in their back yards or embedded in a tree line) think that a circling aircraft is law enforcement scouting them out! In many cases it's true too, though there are better ways to do that with satellites if one wants to really pursue the bigger fish. Unfortunately, for GA pilots minding our own business, we don't often thing about those factors. It's also dangerous in certain areas to go after an ELT signal on the ground because there have been cases of drug runners using ELT's for homing beacons for drug drops. Just some of the things one learns when doing Air Search/Rescue with C.A.P.!
I prefer using the designated practice areas around my local airport for practicing stalls, and other maneuvers. I bring a safety pilot (for a second set of eyeballs), or a CFI if I'm going for my FAA Wings program.
Just my two cents :)
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on February 15, 2006, 04:36:06 PM
Luckily, we don't have to worry too much about drug runners from Latin America in ND. We've got our own home-grown meth cookers to worry about, but they're too baked to shoot straight.
Unfortunately, living in ND, you tend to forget about dangerous people that enjoy hurting others. We do have our share of sex offenders, murderers, etc., but you tend to hear about them on the news and then you forget about them. The Dru Sjodin case up in Grand Forks woke a lot of people up.
I've only been in CAP about 5 months and haven't gone on any missions yet. I joined to do some instruction and build hours, but I think it'd be cool to go on some missions, too. I hope to get checked out for Scanner soon, then make Mission Pilot. Our funding got cut this year, so we're not going to have as many SAREX's. Kinda stinks.
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Ted_Stryker on February 15, 2006, 05:49:13 PM
Luckily, we don't have to worry too much about drug runners from Latin America in ND. We've got our own home-grown meth cookers to worry about, but they're too baked to shoot straight.
Unfortunately, living in ND, you tend to forget about dangerous people that enjoy hurting others. We do have our share of sex offenders, murderers, etc., but you tend to hear about them on the news and then you forget about them. The Dru Sjodin case up in Grand Forks woke a lot of people up.
I've only been in CAP about 5 months and haven't gone on any missions yet. I joined to do some instruction and build hours, but I think it'd be cool to go on some missions, too. I hope to get checked out for Scanner soon, then make Mission Pilot. Our funding got cut this year, so we're not going to have as many SAREX's. Kinda stinks.
Well, I'm in Missouri, and you wouldn't think there would be problems here.... but in the "bootheel" region (SE corner of the state), and several other areas, there have been problems with pot growers and others that don't take kindly to low flying, loitering aircraft.
Sorry to hear that funding for SAREX's got cut for ND Wing. Not sure how they are doing funding appropriations anymore. I know that the very active wings, such as Colorado, usually get preferential treatment and funding. Hope you enjoy your time with them. I was in for 9 years in Missouri Wing, and may rejoin soon. I did all sorts of things with them, and always found it fun and rewarding (provided one stays out of the internal politics loop, which any large organization has).
:)
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on February 15, 2006, 10:54:34 PM
I think our funding was cut because the planes aren't used enough. Sometimes it's like pulling teeth to get hours on the plane. Then there are times when everyone's itching to fly, but the weather stinks. It was solid IFR for a month earlier this year.
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Ted_Stryker on February 15, 2006, 10:41:42 PM
I think our funding was cut because the planes aren't used enough. Sometimes it's like pulling teeth to get hours on the plane. Then there are times when everyone's itching to fly, but the weather stinks. It was solid IFR for a month earlier this year.
I can relate to both situations :) That's why I'm working on my Instrument rating now... finally :) It's a shame about the funding. I hope that works out a little better in next year's budget. I've heard that the new C.A.P. corporate aircraft are pretty cool!
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Frank N. O. on February 16, 2006, 02:56:43 AM
This is something I wouldn't want to hear: Cessna N20ABC taxi to general aviation parking and try to keep up the pace you got a 747 behind you! http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0336520/L/
And I thought it was bad driving a small Peugeot 206 and having a Mercedes-taxi on my bumper with no space to overtake :D
Frak
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Have Blue on February 16, 2006, 03:35:08 AM
Bwahahaha! :D
"AA123, caution wake turbulance..."
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Frank N. O. on February 16, 2006, 03:54:10 AM
Actually I have heard a story about a Cessna 152 pilot hearing ATC call out "Watch wake turbulance from dearting Cessna 152" to the next waiting airplanes, two 747's! :D
Frank
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Roland on February 16, 2006, 07:12:26 AM
HAHAHA, I love that, Mike!!!
In Helicopter transport missions pilots don’t like to hear (which happens then and when):
“ Uhm, you brought the wrong load up here. It belongs to the mountain opposite.”
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Ted_Stryker on February 16, 2006, 06:05:07 PM
This is something I wouldn't want to hear: Cessna N20ABC taxi to general aviation parking and try to keep up the pace you got a 747 behind you! http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0336520/L/
And I thought it was bad driving a small Peugeot 206 and having a Mercedes-taxi on my bumper with no space to overtake :D
Frak
:D I actually had that happen to me during my flight training! I got my flight instruction through Parks Air College, and my instructor and I were doing controlled airspace familiarization for TRSA's of various types. Little did I expect to actually take a C-152II into Lambert International's airspace (KSTL)!! They said "Keep your speed up on approach, L-1011 8 miles out inbound behind you."! Well, that was at 1 mile final with me and my instructor... and we had a slight headwind. It was not a comfortable feeling!! We ended up barely getting it on the ground and taxied clear in time for the L-1011 not to have to abort his landing! This was in 1985, by the way.
Talk about pucker factor!
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Mike on February 16, 2006, 06:31:18 PM
Here is another pucker factor for you: I was filming a NASCAR race with the LongRanger and in the beginning of the show they had a fly-by of 5 F-15's. They were scheduled to arrive at a certain time and I was supposed to be above them to film it from the top. They showed up 2min early and I was struggling to get up to my assigned altitude with full fuel and all the camera equipment on board. I barely made it and the zipped through right underneath me which gave the camera guy some awesome footage but having an F-15 coming right at you just below the speed of sound is probably the last thing many iraqies saw in the war.... pretty scary....
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Ted_Stryker on February 16, 2006, 08:03:59 PM
Here is another pucker factor for you: I was filming a NASCAR race with the LongRanger and in the beginning of the show they had a fly-by of 5 F-15's. They were scheduled to arrive at a certain time and I was supposed to be above them to film it from the top. They showed up 2min early and I was struggling to get up to my assigned altitude with full fuel and all the camera equipment on board. I barely made it and the zipped through right underneath me which gave the camera guy some awesome footage but having an F-15 coming right at you just below the speed of sound is probably the last thing many iraqies saw in the war.... pretty scary....
That would wake one up to be sure! :)
Only other time I had a close call was on a CAP mission. We had a search in progress and were flying a grid search in an area of the state that had an MOA. Now, they are supposed to shut off all but CAP flights below certain altitudes when a SAR is in progress, but somewhere, on this one mission, things in the communication chain broke down somewhere. At 500 ft AGL, doing 60KIAS, the plane I was in (flying as mission scanner on that flight behind the pilot) was suddenly greeted from BELOW by TWO F-4 Phantoms from the ANG! They both peeled up and barrel-rolled after passing under! No doubt they were having a good time, and were likely only 150 ft off the deck, but it was not quite as "fun" for us in our aircraft at the time. Bad enough when that sort of thing happens when you expect it.... but when you supposedly have the skies to yourself... whew!!
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Frank N. O. on February 17, 2006, 05:46:15 AM
Wow, Mike and Ted, that doesn't fun at all! Mike, is there a clip of how close you were on the internet somewhere by any chance?
Regarding flying into large airports with a small GA then isn't it a great help if the plane has spoilers or speedbrakes, which makes me wonder why more planes don't have them. The only well-known GA's that have such a thing that I know is the Mooney Bravo and co, Commander 11X-series and Lancair Legacy (the later is jduged from a FlightSimulator model), I also read from an article in Plane and Pilot (I think) testing a Bravo that spoilers help to slow the plane down while enabling to keep power up to avoid shock-cooling the engine, and that sounds very practical in my ears.
Frank
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on February 17, 2006, 07:00:34 PM
Spoilers and speed brakes are designed for airplanes that go very fast and don't like to slow down. They wouldn't do any good on a 152, because they don't fly fast enough to be effective. They'd just cause a stall a lot sooner. You usually don't have to worry about shock-cooling an engine unless it's turbo-charged (i.e. fast planes) or if it's -20 deg. F (like it is today. Brr.).
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Ted_Stryker on February 17, 2006, 07:07:23 PM
Spoilers and speed brakes are designed for airplanes that go very fast and don't like to slow down. They wouldn't do any good on a 152, because they don't fly fast enough to be effective. They'd just cause a stall a lot sooner. You usually don't have to worry about shock-cooling an engine unless it's turbo-charged (i.e. fast planes) or if it's -20 deg. F (like it is today. Brr.).
Somehow speed brakes and spoilers on a C-152 is sort of like a wonder bra.... hope and cosmetics won't make it so :) :)
Reminds me of the guy that goes into the airport restaurant, it's crowded, and he manages to find a small table. The airport is busy with both military and civilian aircraft, so lots to see.
After he's sitting there a while, a very attractive woman comes in, and sees that the only available seat is the one at his table, so she asks if she can join him. Naturally, he says yes eagerly.
As they begin to chat, the conversation turns to flying, and she says; "I'm afraid I don't know much about airplanes. What kind of plane do you fly, anyway?"
He looks out at the tarmac and points to the C-130 in line of sight. "You see that plane?"
"Yes! You fly that?", she asks, all asmile.
"No. That's a C-130. I fly a C-152!"
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: fireflyr on February 17, 2006, 11:58:16 PM
Spoilers and speed brakes are designed for airplanes that go very fast and don't like to slow down. They wouldn't do any good on a 152, because they don't fly fast enough to be effective. They'd just cause a stall a lot sooner. You usually don't have to worry about shock-cooling an engine unless it's turbo-charged (i.e. fast planes) or if it's -20 deg. F (like it is today. Brr.).
Gulfsteam, I see you used the word 'usually' and you may be usually right about that but after replacing a gaggle of cylinders on my 172's 0-300 I got REALLY stern with renters about stage cooling. You are right on about the turbo'd engines, I've had no problems with them because I'm very careful with power reductions--2" MP reduction per 2 minutes is about as fast as I want to cool any Turbo'd engine, until I'm out of the turbo (about 20"). Where the heck are you that is minus 20---Good Grief man, it was 37 degrees here at 0600 and I thought that was cold!
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on February 18, 2006, 12:12:45 AM
Granted, you do want to be careful about reducing power quickly, even when it's warm out. I guess I've never had any trouble when coming back from the practice area for landing practice or descending from cruise to land. When we do power off ops, I'm always gentle and try to tell my students to do the same.
I'm in Fargo. I think the high today was around 10 below. Wind chills were around 40 to 50 below, and that's with the new system. The old wind chill calculation would have put it between 70 and 80 below. There's a wind chill warning until noon tomorrow for the entire Red River valley and most of Eastern ND and Northwestern MN.
We always chuckle about places where 37 is cold. :)
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Mike on February 18, 2006, 12:30:28 AM
Hey Gulfstream! I like your new signature!
I also heard another version of that before:
Behind every great man, there is a baffled mother-in-law!! HA HA :D
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on February 18, 2006, 12:52:03 AM
:) Thanks, man!
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: fireflyr on February 18, 2006, 04:21:19 AM
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: fireflyr on May 22, 2006, 04:06:54 AM
Dunno, is it worse to have them puke on your neck or your lap?? ???
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: happylanding on May 22, 2006, 01:55:11 PM
So, here we go, with something that happened to me. It was my second solo and I had just shifted from a Cessna 152 to a Piper PA28 (that means the first solo on the PA28). I was already cleared to land, on short final of rwy 19, doing my final checks, when I heard the tower saying to another aircraft “clear to land rwy 01”. Maybe it was just the pressure of my first solo on a “big” plane (ah ah!), or maybe I expected to hear saying to the other (a Falcon) “you nr 2, nr. 1 on final”….. I remember I was quite sure I would see outside the Falcon and become a mosquito on the other’s cockpit window, forgotten my the tower! I was just unable to say anything intelligent, thinking that maybe I had never received the clearance...so I said something as “but but ohhhhhh shit…..but I AM on short final!!”. By the way, the Falcon was still far away! And on it there was one of my instructors! A good start!
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Skygal on May 22, 2006, 02:52:52 PM
So, here we go, with something that happened to me. It was my second solo and I had just shifted from a Cessna 152 to a Piper PA28 (that means the first solo on the PA28). I was already cleared to land, on short final of rwy 19, doing my final checks, when I heard the tower saying to another aircraft “clear to land rwy 01”. Maybe it was just the pressure of my first solo on a “big” plane (ah ah!), or maybe I expected to hear saying to the other (a Falcon) “you nr 2, nr. 1 on final”….. I remember I was quite sure I would see outside the Falcon and become a mosquito on the other’s cockpit window, forgotten my the tower! I was just unable to say anything intelligent, thinking that maybe I had never received the clearance...so I said something as “but but ohhhhhh shit…..but I AM on short final!!”. By the way, the Falcon was still far away! And on it there was one of my instructors! A good start!
HAHAHA ;D Good story I think most of us have been in that situation but your response surely got the towers attention!!!!
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: piet03 on May 23, 2006, 06:33:38 PM
Ever notice how the engine chooses to run rough only over large bodies of water?
Usualy followed by the guy in th right seat saying" No I thought you had the life jackets!" Piet
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: SkyKing on May 24, 2006, 01:58:18 AM
High on the list of things I really really really don't want to hear on a long overwater is a cowbell.
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: FlyingBlind on May 30, 2006, 09:54:14 PM
Umm, there was this one thing.... I was taking my first jumps....aaand the instructor scared us: Ok, if your main schute doesn't open - do not fret! Use your secondary! If your secondary doesn't open - be thankful that your worries are about to end in a matter seconds
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: happylanding on May 30, 2006, 10:00:20 PM
HAHAHA ;D Good story I think most of us have been in that situation but your response surely got the towers attention!!!!
Gosh, it was not the only time, actually......Ever tried to talk to the tower on eme frequency?!?!?!?!? It was one of the other time I wanted to disappear!!!
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: SteepTurn on June 06, 2006, 08:07:47 PM
Happend to me once. We were on a quite bumpy ride and my "friend", from the right seat said "I'm gonna be sick". I looked for the bags usually on the back of passenger seat. Nothing. In his panic, he open the window, got his head out and ...
Trust me, those bags are now part of my preflight check list and I never go flying without them.
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: fireflyr on August 08, 2006, 01:21:24 AM
Be sure to check the size of the bag---Borrowed a friends airplane a couple of weeks ago and noted ziplock bags (wife has delicate stomach) behind seat. An hour into the trip we encountered some light turbulence and wifey was getting green so I reached back for a bag and came up with a handfull of SANDWICH size bags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :( Ever tried to get person to puke in measured amounts???? She filled a bag and dropped it on my lap (unsealed, of course while trying to get an empty one) Had half digested bacon, eggs, mimosa, and God knows what else all over me and my (former) friend's airplane----Kind of takes away from the ambiance at lunch when you smell like vomit! Spent a bit of time with a wet vacuum and a hose after we got back. :-\ What the heck, been there before but it never becomes more fun.
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: cj5_pilot on September 04, 2006, 05:12:58 PM
During my flight training I made my night Cross-Country from Kenai (ENA) to Anchorage International (ANC) before going on to Merril Field (MRI) to shoot some touch and go's. Bear in mind that ANC is one of the busiest "C" airports there are. It's got it's own section in the FAR's due to all the fields, two military bases and the fact that Anchorage is right on the water up against some mountains :P I'm a student pilot with my instructor on our second night flight, and we are in a C-152. As to the best of my recollection the clearance I got from the tower was:
"Seven Victor Whiskey you are cleared to land on Two-Five Left. Traffic to your right is a Cessna landing concurrently on Two-Five Right, Caution wake turbulence, departing Seven Fifty Seven. The two F-Fifteens will not be a factor."
I DID see the F-15s...four little dots of the afterburners a couple miles ahed....not something I was gonna overtake :P Still and all I made one of me most precise landings ever thanks to the centerline lights...a little TOO precise actually, when the nose wheel came down and started jumping up and down on the lights it scared the daylights out of me! The instructor laughed like heck while I tried to pull the seat cushion out....
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Baradium on September 04, 2006, 11:34:19 PM
Spoilers and speed brakes are designed for airplanes that go very fast and don't like to slow down. They wouldn't do any good on a 152, because they don't fly fast enough to be effective. They'd just cause a stall a lot sooner. You usually don't have to worry about shock-cooling an engine unless it's turbo-charged (i.e. fast planes) or if it's -20 deg. F (like it is today. Brr.).
Knew a guy with spoilers on a C182 (there's an STC for that). He said he could get a killer descent rate with them with some power in and without screaming on the a.c. They'll help you slow down because you can pitch up further on the descent if you came in hot. These spoilers were only on the inboard edge of the wing and you'd still have flight control to normal control through normal stall speed (especially with stall fences etc).
Re on topic:
Center: Frontier 570, say current heading
Us: Frontier 570 currently flying heading of 250
Center: Frontier 570 give me a RIGHT turn to 240, vectors to intercept the localizer for 14 after you make the loop.
<a few minutes later>
Us: Anchorage Approach, Frontier 570, with you on the localizer runway 14.
Approach: Frontier 570, turn right heading 250, will be vectors to reintercept the localizer...
Anchorage was just chocked full of aircraft and freaking out... never flown in so many circles without holding before as they tried to adjust spacing...
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: jlmastretta on September 07, 2006, 07:44:34 PM
This are some of the ones I got from my instructor when I was a student:
-- Nope, that´s not the PAPI (He was kidding, but really scared me out) -- OK! Let me handle this... -- That´s what happens when you don´t make a coordinated turn -- Don´t you EVER do that again!
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: happylanding on September 07, 2006, 07:49:46 PM
Jlmastretta, so, what about the person sitting at your right, when you already have your license, that screams "MY CONTROOOOOOOOOL!!!"! :D :D :D ::)
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: tundra_flier on September 07, 2006, 10:10:31 PM
During a very very busy fall day during my flight training I was holding short of Ski 19 (which is in line with 19L NOT parallel) in Citabria 567. Cessna 567 was hold short of 19L. I heard "Citabria 567 - cleared for take-off, expedite" as I started to advance the throttle a cub crossed my nose and touched down! I keyed the mic and said "Tower, confrim take-off Citabria 567". The tower had been making all sorts of mistakes, so the next transmission was a different voice that said "All aircraft, use full call sign, hold current position, we'll get you sorted out in a minute". ??? :o
Phil
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Frank N. O. on September 07, 2006, 10:16:34 PM
During a very very busy fall day during my flight training I was holding short of Ski 19 (which is in line with 19L NOT parallel) in Citabria 567. Cessna 567 was hold short of 19L. I heard "Citabria 567 - cleared for take-off, expedite" as I started to advance the throttle a cub crossed my nose and touched down! I keyed the mic and said "Tower, confrim take-off Citabria 567". The tower had been making all sorts of mistakes, so the next transmission was a different voice that said "All aircraft, use full call sign, hold current position, we'll get you sorted out in a minute". ??? :o
Phil
Oh dear, that's really qualified for this thread indeed, almost with a scholarship too! I take it that no accidents happend, hopefully.
Frank
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: tundra_flier on September 08, 2006, 05:23:28 AM
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Oh dear, that's really qualified for this thread indeed, almost with a scholarship too! I take it that no accidents happend, hopefully.
Frank
No accidents that I heard of. But I have to wonder what some of the guys in air did when told to "hold current position". What if you're on short final?
Phil
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Baradium on September 08, 2006, 05:58:26 AM
During a very very busy fall day during my flight training I was holding short of Ski 19 (which is in line with 19L NOT parallel) in Citabria 567. Cessna 567 was hold short of 19L. I heard "Citabria 567 - cleared for take-off, expedite" as I started to advance the throttle a cub crossed my nose and touched down! I keyed the mic and said "Tower, confrim take-off Citabria 567". The tower had been making all sorts of mistakes, so the next transmission was a different voice that said "All aircraft, use full call sign, hold current position, we'll get you sorted out in a minute". ??? :o
Phil
The Feds use Fairbanks for ATC training. Most of the controllers are full time etc etc, but occasionally you'll hear a controller talking in the meek "student pilot" type voice. That's when youi know it's a student and you can start having fun with them... ;) J/K, it means pay attention and if something sounds off then clarify. Controllers have to gain experience just like pilots do. When they are training there is an instructor sitting there with a finger on the mike to correct anything that doesn't sound right. However, sometimes it takes a second or two or they miss something as welll. Don't hesitate to ask if something doesn't seem right.
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Ted_Stryker on September 08, 2006, 05:57:00 PM
Oh dear, that's really qualified for this thread indeed, almost with a scholarship too! I take it that no accidents happend, hopefully.
Frank
No accidents that I heard of. But I have to wonder what some of the guys in air did when told to "hold current position". What if you're on short final?
Phil
I think you have to activate your stasis field button and warp time around your aircraft so you can stay in that one spot :)
Oh... sorry... Star Trek's anniversary today (September 8, 1966 was it's premier :) ) ;D
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: FB41 on September 11, 2006, 09:41:19 PM
2 things come to mind; 1 from Gary Larson of "The Far Side" and 1 that actually happened to me.
Larson's srtip: "Hey! What's that mountain goat doing in a cloud!?"
Me: I was flying safety pilot for a fellow aeroclub member that was practicing stalls under the hood (getting ready for his IFR check ride). Well, the nitwit cross-controlled the plane and put us into a spin.
I yelled "We're spinning get us out!" His reply? "I DON'T KNOW HOW!"
All I can say is thank god for altitude and recent acro training I'd taken or we'd both be dead!
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Baradium on September 12, 2006, 02:30:43 AM
Me: I was flying safety pilot for a fellow aeroclub member that was practicing stalls under the hood (getting ready for his IFR check ride). Well, the nitwit cross-controlled the plane and put us into a spin.
I yelled "We're spinning get us out!" His reply? "I DON'T KNOW HOW!"
All I can say is thank god for altitude and recent acro training I'd taken or we'd both be dead!
Ouch! I'll bet that woke you up!
I'm glad you were in an aircraft that can recover from a spin. Kudos on saving your butts and the airframe.
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: FB41 on September 13, 2006, 01:41:43 AM
Me: I was flying safety pilot for a fellow aeroclub member that was practicing stalls under the hood (getting ready for his IFR check ride). Well, the nitwit cross-controlled the plane and put us into a spin.
I yelled "We're spinning get us out!" His reply? "I DON'T KNOW HOW!"
All I can say is thank god for altitude and recent acro training I'd taken or we'd both be dead!
Ouch! I'll bet that woke you up!
I'm glad you were in an aircraft that can recover from a spin. Kudos on saving your butts and the airframe.
I've been shot at and it didn't scare me as bad as his response!
We were originally gonna take a Warrior (PA28), but due to maintenance issues ended up with a good ol' 172... I daresay if he'd'a spun a PA28, I'd be dead now.
Anyone that hasn't had spin training oughtta get it.
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Voidhawk9 on September 13, 2006, 02:13:57 AM
While on long finals at night in a PA28, slightly high due to being #2 to a Convair, with another cherokee following me:
Tower: 'EBM (the other cherokee), ah... do you have the Cherokee ahead of you in sight?'
EBM: 'Negative'
Tower: (momentary pause) 'ah... EBM make one left hand orbit'
I looked behind me as best I could, and saw lights emerge from just below and behind me. :o
That woke me up!!! ::)
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Baradium on September 13, 2006, 02:17:34 AM
Can cherokees/warriors not do spins? I don't have a lot of time in them...
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Voidhawk9 on September 13, 2006, 05:10:24 AM
I reckon they can, but I've never done one. They're stable to the point where flap and power is used to induce wing-drops... but I do have my theories about that. ;)
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: spacer on September 13, 2006, 05:11:36 AM
Co-pilot: "Uh, did we need that?" Pilot: "Lord, I hope not..."
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: FB41 on September 13, 2006, 09:10:27 PM
Can cherokees/warriors not do spins? I don't have a lot of time in them...
Every one I've ever flown has been placarded against intentional spins. From what I'm told, they lose a lot of altitude in the recovery.
I do know of one dude that spins his PA28-140 routinely, but this guy is a brick shy of a full load...
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Voidhawk9 on September 13, 2006, 10:17:36 PM
Well the rudder is pretty small... :-[
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Ted_Stryker on September 13, 2006, 10:35:36 PM
I concur... the PA28-141s, etc., that I've flown have also been placarded against intentional spins.
Part of the problem is not just the rudder authority being weak, but also that those Piper models tend to "flat spin", and it can be unrecoverable with aft CG... yes... even if within the CG limits... if it's aft of COB it's EXTREMELY dangerous.
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on October 11, 2006, 09:43:08 PM
I forget if you can get the Warrior into the Utility category...
They are very stable, and almost always break straight on a stall. I remember the Arrow was a little more squirrelly, but still docile compared to Cessnas.
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: cj5_pilot on October 12, 2006, 02:19:10 AM
"What's that bright, blinking light for?"
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Turbomallard on October 12, 2006, 03:15:23 AM
"It's never done THAT before."
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Baradium on October 12, 2006, 03:45:23 AM
"Hmmmmm"
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: TheSoccerMom on October 12, 2006, 05:13:39 AM
The sound of every person in back, screaming.
We had a jumper years ago who had his static line cut when he exited, and he barely managed to get his reserve out at 400'AGL. It was pushing darkness ( a bad deal!!!) and he hit real hard, away from the jump spot. His jump partner raced down the canyon, and up the other side to where he hit. He was injured but a phenomenal LifeFlight pilot got in, in darkness no less, to a rapidly-cut helispot and got him out.
I think if I live to be 100, I'll never forget that roar of all the jumpers left onboard, seeing his chute NOT open, watching him descend so fast. It was a terrifying moment. It was such an unnatural sound... I guess that's what sticks in my mind.
It does make pukers seem like a good deal, though!!!!!!!! 8)
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: fireflyr on October 12, 2006, 08:53:05 PM
Hold my beer for a minute and watch this!
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Mike on October 12, 2006, 09:15:03 PM
The second officer says, "Damn it!" The first officer says, "I have an idea!" The captain say, "Hey, watch this!"
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Turbomallard on October 12, 2006, 09:23:26 PM
Once upon a time my office was directly across the hall from our Unix administrator, who was/is a close friend of mine. This was back in the mid-90s, when networks were not as stable as they are today. I learned to judge how quickly I needed to save my work (i.e. that a network crash was impending) based on various things he'd say or do.
For example, the phrases "Hmmmmmm....", "That's interesting," or simply "Huh..." put me on yellow alert. Things like his suddenly leaning forward and looking closely at his monitor (with or without sudden fast typing), or phrases such as "It's never done THAT before!" "Why is it doing that?" "What the hell is it doing now?" or "I told those [CENSORED]s over at telecom to NOT reset that blade/switch/port/router during the day!" were cues for me to hit "save" ASAP.
Those were the days...
TM
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Ted_Stryker on October 12, 2006, 10:02:37 PM
Pilot and co-pilot saying in unison to each other while in-flight....
"I thought YOU did the preflight!"
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Mike on October 12, 2006, 10:45:32 PM
Pilot and co-pilot saying in unison to each other while in-flight....
"I thought YOU did the preflight!"
HA HA that's great Ted !!!
I can totally see a strip there !!!!
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: Oddball on December 24, 2007, 01:59:35 AM
or how about: "how come there is no noise comming from the engine?" has that one been said all ready? ::eek::
Title: Re: Things you never want to hear
Post by: AirtransRecon on December 26, 2007, 12:57:48 AM
Two stories.
Friend and i were flying around, I was PIC, he was right seat navigating. We were flying without a GPS turned on, working on dead rec navigation should the unfortunate ever occur that we HAD to fall back on those skills. After about an hour of silence from my friend and ever growing fact that we were approaching the western beaches of Florida, my buddy turns to me, looks at the map, repeats a few times then asks "Where the Hell are we??"
My brother was flying from Sun N Fun this year heading to San Antonio where he's stationed, driving a Cessna 150 no less. At one point he's passing through an a hot MOA that ATC had given him clearance through. In this particular MOA, Guy (my brother) was amongst B-52's, and the controller was firing off directions like a mad man to keep everyone from flying into each other. At one point he gets his call signs crossed up and calls my brothers number thinking he's talking to one of the Buffs and instructs Guy to slow to 300 for passing Cessna traffic. Before Guy gets a chance to break in and explain calmly that a C-150 traveling at 300 kt either is falling like a brick or has a rocket attached to the tail and in either event the plane would have the wings following well behind, the B-52 pilot gets in first and says, "If there's a C150 out there flying at 300 then I'm getting out of his damn way"
