Roost Air Lounge => Aviation related topics => Topic started by: Baron15 on January 16, 2006, 02:14:37 AM
Title: Buying a headset?
Post by: Baron15 on January 16, 2006, 02:14:37 AM
I'm going to be flying this summer and was wondering what a good headset might be? I leanning towards a David Clark set but I don't know which one. Anybody know whats a good model? I'm thinking in the 300 dollar range the 600 dollar is a a bit pricey for me. These prices are off of Sporty's, so if anyone has any thoughts I'd be glad to hear them ;D
Thanks Matt.
Oh and I believe I'm starting in a C152 that or a 172 if I'm lucky.
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Mike on January 16, 2006, 03:15:34 AM
Did you see the "headset" thread by plthijnx in our "general discussion" forum? Looks like a pretty good one to me. Maybe you can ask him.
I love the David Clarks personally. I don't know much about the noise canceling systems to be honest. Call me an "old fasioned guy". Like with a gun, I look at a headset as a "life-long" investment. I wouldn't go cheap and take the chance of it breaking in the air and/or having to buy a new one after only a few times of use.
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Baron15 on January 16, 2006, 09:34:54 AM
Yeah I saw the his headset thread alittle too late sorry about that. The headset he suggest looks pritty good to me. I wasn't thinking of getting a cheap headset I really want something that will last. And the reason I was lookin at David Clarks was I've seen most pilots where I work with them. I haven't asked them about them but I will next time i go in.
Heres a story though, one of the pilots had a headset that was sound canceling. But in order for it to work the cigarette lighter sockets need to work. Well alot of the planes in the fleet either don't have working cigarette lighters or don't have them at all becuase well you arn't suppost to smoke, and no ones need them to work until he started wearing hes new headset. So he went without the cancelation part of the headset for awhile. :P
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Sleek-Jet on January 16, 2006, 06:13:12 PM
I've always lusted after a pair of David Clarks... but my budget only allowed me to buy a pair of AvComm's... that was over a decade ago. I haven't had any problems with them. I bought the top of the line AC-900's (the stereo/mono with a PTT built into one of the ear cups). I think they are still priced under two hundred. They are a little heavier than DC's, but with the air cusion head band and liquid filled ear seals, I never noticed any fatigue after wearing them for several hours on end.
The Telex Echelon passive headsets are pretty nice and seem to hold up well. I had a couple in my airplane for passangers.
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on January 17, 2006, 06:16:21 AM
I had a pair of Av-Comms all through school. They work very well, especially for short hops (i.e. training). They did get fatiguing after a couple of hours of continuous wear. But, it was nice having the extra PTT if I ever needed it.
If you're looking for noise cancelling, Lightspeed has an affordable model, but they tend to be kind of fragile. Lightspeed will fix any problems you have, but you have to send them in and be without your headseat for a few weeks. Bose, obviously, are top of the line, but are probably out of your price range ($1000).
I have the DC H20-10XL. They were about $650 through Tropic Aero out of Florida and well worth the money. They use a 9V battery. Don't get the panel powered model unless you have your own airplane and never fly anything else. Don't get the cigarette adapters either. They'd be more hassel than anything.
Mike is right about getting what you pay for. If you're just a weekend pilot that doesn't stray far from home, get a cheaper model. If flying is going to be a career, pony up the bucks. Above all, do some research. Look all over. Check out e-bay. I found a Bose set for $600 on e-bay (didn't stay that cheap very long), so you never know.
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Ted_Stryker on January 17, 2006, 05:22:27 PM
Well, I have to agree with Mike. David Clark's are really nice. You can often find them on eBay (yes... I know... but I'm not talking about buying a plane there.... heheheh) for very reasonable prices. I have 3 David Clark's that have served me very, very well. The only thing that went wrong with them was one that I had to get a new mic and wire for when it fell out of the plane onto the ramp and the wire got slammed in the door on one of my H10-30's (a passenger of mine was exiting and took a spill, with foot catching the wire, on the way out of the C-172 I was flying once).
I've had really good luck with even the out-of-warranty repairs (something very important with such expensive equipment). David Clark is very responsive to any repair requests, and they are very reasonable on pricing. I own two H10-30's, and one H10-40, all of which I found on eBay at various times. Been using them now for about four years with great performance.
One thing you can also do, if you don't like the headpad or ear cushions that come with various headsets, is to get some from Oregon Aero. I outfitted my H10-40 with their earcups and headband, along with the speaker suspension kit... all for about $99 at the time. I bought that headset for $130 on eBay, so all combined it ran me about $229 + SH, and got a headset that performs at or above an ANR Bose Headset which could easily run over $1000.
Oh, the wire and mic repair on the H10-30 that got dinged was out-of-warranty, and David Clark completely re-speced the headset to bring it up to new condition, (new mic and plugs and wires along with a general checkup and cleaning), and that repair ran me about $100. I had bought the two H10-30's as a pair, along with a headset bag, for about $150 on eBay... so again, you can really come out way ahead shopping there for things and get good quality stuff. Just make sure you use the usual caution with eBay by researching your seller, and viewing the product photos carefully.
Hope this helps out... and welcome to aviation!! :)
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Plthijnx on January 17, 2006, 06:14:32 PM
I have to say that I really like my headsetsinc em-1 i flew 8.9 hours yesterday with it. it runs off of a 9V battery but when the battery dies it is pretty noisy so an additiional battery in the bag is wise. for my back up I have a set of david clark H20-10's that I like. but, hey, if you've got the grand to spend on bose, go for it!!
I need to start another thread about yesterday's flight. the last 3 hours were pretty hair raising due to WX......
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: fireflyrrforgottosignon on January 28, 2006, 02:36:09 AM
HEADSETS------Buy the best ones you can afford, noise canceling prefered!!!!!!!!!!!
When I started flying there were few if any decent ones available and I flew my first 20 years without them so as a result I have tinnitus and a hearing loss due to auditory trauma. Due to the severity of the tinnitus I cannot wear hearing aids because sound amplification will aggrevate the ringing in my ears and does not clarify the muffled sounds I hear----dontcha know I go through the wringer every year when I renew my physical!!! About 1975 I bought a set of David Clarks which I used until 4 years ago and which I still carry as a backup. At that time I bought a Bose which really works well to sort out the sounds for me. I will stop short of reccomending the Bose though because if the battery dies they are less than useless, with a dead battery, the cabin noise level actually seems to INCREASE!!! In addition, Bose is way overpriced and they are arrogant bastards if you try to have any after-purchase problems resolved. David Clark, Lightspeed, and other manufacturers all have headsets that cancel noise passively even if the power to the ENC function is interrupted and I would stongly urge you to buy these brands after trying them out in the cockpit. I broke the earcup stirrup on my Dave Clarks 5 years ago and they furnished the part and repaired them at NO CHARGE, even after being told the headset was 25 years old!!!! I cannot emphasize strongly enough the need to protect your hearing, take it from an old pilot who learned the hard way---it is not fun to be hard-of-hearing even though most insenitive (and stupid) jerks say "HUH?" when you tell them you are. GEE, this brings up another subject--why do morons think it's funny if you're hard of hearing but if you said you were going blind, they would feel bad for you? I've gotta sign off now but if anyone makes a funny crack about being deaf, I'll personaly come over and show you a way to wear a headset that nature made no accomodations for!
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: SkyKing on April 07, 2006, 11:41:17 AM
HEADSETS------Buy the best ones you can afford, noise canceling prefered!!!!!!!!!!!
When I started flying there were few if any decent ones available and I flew my first 20 years without them so as a result I have tinnitus and a hearing loss due to auditory trauma.
You and me both, though mine doesn't seem to be as bad as yours. Remember all those war-surplus headbphones, with the leather donuts for seals?
I LOVE active noise reduction. I wish I could put it in the flight helmet that I wear in the open cockpit, but the air blast would defeat the electronics. :(
Hey, you YOUNG GUYS!
TAKE CARE OF YOUR EARS. Hearing damage is PERMANENT and CUMULATIVE. We didn't know this when I was a kid, but we know it now. The Dead Heads of yesterday are DEAF Heads today!
. . .and you really don't think it's serious, until you realize how much you miss hearing some of the things which you can only remember . . .
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: fireflyr on April 07, 2006, 03:16:57 PM
Hey, Skyking, You have some interesting posts, howcomewhyisit you don't join the family of users so we can know ya better---sounds like you're "experienced" (alluded to as elderly by some--in good humor) we'd like to get to know you. 8)
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Frank N. O. on April 08, 2006, 12:33:08 AM
Thanks for the advice on the ears, I love all kinds of music even several rock and roll tunes but I can't stand loud nosies, basically all my senses are oversensitive compared to normal people so I get earpains and cringe with volumes that even adults with normal good hearing are accepting, and I'm not even going to start on bass-boost and people with more watts in the sound-system of their car than in the engine, I'm happy with a normal std. original car-radio like Ford's digital units for instance and a performance-exhuast for me is something that helps the engine efficiency but doesn't make more noise out the back, for my use all engine-sound should be from the engine and intake, not the exhuast, that can't be used by the driver to drive the car anyway, and I'm sure that can be transferred to airplanes with the engine in front of the cabin as well.
How loud is a normal GA single like a Skyhawk and co on the inside? I've seen some pictures and videoclips with a pilot without a headset on, and older versions of GA planes didn't have headsets but a handheld microphone like a CB Radio which leaves me to wonder where the speakers were. I didn't really think the Cardinal I flew in was that loud and I think the DC headsets were PNC (passive noise cancelation correct?) I think they were 10-30s, the classic wire-boom model.
Frank
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Mike on April 08, 2006, 12:59:28 AM
TAKE CARE OF YOUR EARS. Hearing damage is PERMANENT and CUMULATIVE. We didn't know this when I was a kid, but we know it now. The Dead Heads of yesterday are DEAF Heads today!
I just bought a SPH-5 helmet with noise reduction!! What a difference!! I love it!! :) Wasn't cheap, but I look at it as a "life time investment"
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Mike on April 08, 2006, 01:00:35 AM
Hey, Skyking, You have some interesting posts, howcomewhyisit you don't join the family of users so we can know ya better---sounds like you're "experienced" (alluded to as elderly by some--in good humor) we'd like to get to know you. 8)
I just asked the same question in a different post before I read this one. I am with flireflyer there, come join us!!
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on April 08, 2006, 02:12:52 AM
Coffee-can exhaust on a car is for other people to hear, not the driver. I guess it's supposed to be impressive. ::)
Our 172 can get quite loud. Not sure what decibel level it's at, but without headsets, it can get uncomfortable. Our plane also has a handheld mike (original equipment, even). The speaker's in the headliner.
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: fireflyr on April 08, 2006, 12:03:26 PM
Coffee-can exhaust on a car is for other people to hear, not the driver. I guess it's supposed to be impressive. ::)
Our 172 can get quite loud. Not sure what decibel level it's at, but without headsets, it can get uncomfortable. Our plane also has a handheld mike (original equipment, even). The speaker's in the headliner.
I didn't buy my first headset until after my hearing was damaged by using cabin speakers for a bunch of years, can't even imagine doing that again! :(
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on April 09, 2006, 04:34:13 AM
I hate flying w/o a headset. My second least favorite thing is flying with a PTT that's inop. It's surprising how much the hand-held mike increases your workload.
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Ted_Stryker on April 10, 2006, 09:05:39 AM
I hate flying w/o a headset. My second least favorite thing is flying with a PTT that's inop. It's surprising how much the hand-held mike increases your workload.
I'll second that opinion! When I think back to my days starting out, having only a Telex 550 (that's the kind with the little plug that goes in one ear, and a boom mic), and a foam plug in the opposite ear, an in-line patched PTT velcroed to the yoke, and half the time still having to resort to the hand mic and headliner speaker in the C-152's I started out in... well... let's just say that when I got my first REAL headset (a David Clark that I still use today), I was in hog heaven!
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: fireflyr on April 10, 2006, 03:02:50 PM
"HOG HEAVEN"----Stryker, I knew you was my kinda guy---we speak the same language!! ;D You'll know what I mean then when I say that you'll be passing gas (cleaned up version) through silk when you get an ANR headset---they make such a huge difference. I have Bose but I reccomend Lightspeed after using both simply because the Lightspeed offers more features and works well even if the batteries go dead, unlike the Bose which offer NO attenuation without power. :(
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on April 10, 2006, 03:06:42 PM
One of my co-workers had a set of Lightspeeds. She kept snapping the earpieces off. Lightspeed fixed them each time, but she was w/o her headset while they were working on it.
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: fireflyr on April 10, 2006, 03:30:07 PM
One of my co-workers had a set of Lightspeeds. She kept snapping the earpieces off. Lightspeed fixed them each time, but she was w/o her headset while they were working on it.
Can't figure that--I've worked with 2 guys in the last 5 years who have probably accumulated 4 or 500 hours flight time with Lightspeeds with no problems. As far as warranty is concerned, Bose will probably be terrible because of their arrogance--I've never dealt with a worse company---of course, I won't know until something does go wrong with mine.
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Plthijnx on April 10, 2006, 03:38:20 PM
hmmmmm. y'all have me rethinking on my next selection. i was going to get a bose but now.......????? arogance? are they just plain rude or what?? ???
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Ted_Stryker on April 10, 2006, 03:51:33 PM
"HOG HEAVEN"----Stryker, I knew you was my kinda guy---we speak the same language!! ;D You'll know what I mean then when I say that you'll be passing gas (cleaned up version) through silk when you get an ANR headset---they make such a huge difference. I have Bose but I reccomend Lightspeed after using both simply because the Lightspeed offers more features and works well even if the batteries go dead, unlike the Bose which offer NO attenuation without power. :(
I was thinking about getting an ANR headset, and tried a number of them. You're right that they really are great! I also tried a David Clark H10-30 with the Oregon Aero upgrade conversion on it.... I found it to be equivalent without the price, and with a much more comfortable headband and earpads :) Not a bad option for the $99.00 it cost versus the several hundred more for the ANR set. I lucked out even more financially on that deal because it was an eBay sale I found them on too!
Just an option :)
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: fireflyr on April 10, 2006, 04:05:40 PM
hmmmmm. y'all have me rethinking on my next selection. i was going to get a bose but now.......????? arogance? are they just plain rude or what?? ???
I guess I'm just upset because when I bought mine, I asked them for the best they had and he assured me I was getting the latest model---well, a couple of months after I get mine (powered by 9V battery-no shut auto off) they come out with the "new improved model" which is what they're selling now. So, I call them up and ask if they would upgrade mine, they wanted another 175 bucks to do so--hell, you think that spending a grand for a headset is gonna get you some consideration but they just blew me off, big time! They work really great but like I said before, if the batteries die, you're screwed if you don't have a backup headset because they not only have NO passive attenuation, the noise is actually worse with them on. I've had to change batteries in flight, and found it was quieter while doing so if I removed the headset. Besides, Lightspeed and others have cell phone (or I-pod) jacks built right into the unit---Bose doesn't. And lets not forget the price difference either!
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: fireflyr on April 10, 2006, 04:14:07 PM
Ted, I've got Oregon Aero earpads on my ANR Dave Clarks ( which are my backups now) and you're right about the improvement but the ANR difference is like comparing apples and oranges---there is no passive unit that can compare with ANR for total noise attenuation. :D
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Ted_Stryker on April 10, 2006, 04:33:58 PM
Ted, I've got Oregon Aero earpads on my ANR Dave Clarks ( which are my backups now) and you're right about the improvement but the ANR difference is like comparing apples and oranges---there is no passive unit that can compare with ANR for total noise attenuation. :D
Oh, I'm not in disagreement... just that if one does not want to spend the much higher ticket price for the ANR, you can get a big quality jump with a more conventional headset and that upgrade for much lower $$ cost.
In my case it was a difference between the minimum of $650 for the low end ANR's or $125+$99 for the H10-30 (via eBay), and the Oregon Aero upgrade. At the time, the cost differential was a no-brainer. By the way, having dealt with David Clark's repair department, I can say that the professionalism, courtesy, and speed of response is the best among any that I've dealt with. The same testimonial can be heard from other pilots in my local area that have dealt with DC. They also say that Bose tends to be somewhat cavalier with their customer support. I guess they are so used to people overpaying for their products and features versus say, Lightspeed, that they treat customers poorly. At least this is the opinion of those I've heard that have dealt with Bose.
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: fireflyr on April 11, 2006, 02:02:45 AM
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Oh, I'm not in disagreement... just that if one does not want to spend the much higher ticket price for the ANR, you can get a big quality jump with a more conventional headset and that upgrade for much lower $$ cost.
In my case it was a difference between the minimum of $650 for the low end ANR's or $125+$99 for the H10-30 (via eBay), and the Oregon Aero upgrade. At the time, the cost differential was a no-brainer. By the way, having dealt with David Clark's repair department, I can say that the professionalism, courtesy, and speed of response is the best among any that I've dealt with. The same testimonial can be heard from other pilots in my local area that have dealt with DC. They also say that Bose tends to be somewhat cavalier with their customer support. I guess they are so used to people overpaying for their products and features versus say, Lightspeed, that they treat customers poorly. At least this is the opinion of those I've heard that have dealt with Bose.
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I'm in absolute agreement with you the difference between Bose and David Clark----David Clark IS the standard for the industry.
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Frank N. O. on April 13, 2006, 11:27:02 PM
If I may ask, has anyone tried Sennheiser aviation headsets? For PC-use I use Sennheiser headphones/headset and compared to Philips which is the other main brand of electronics in my family then the Sennheiser sound-quality is very high, does that go for their aviation headsets too? And for the nutty question, if you could get a converter for the jack-plug-sizes could a aviation headset work on a computer as well? (to my knowledge the two jack-sizes for aviation headset are both different from the two std. sizes for home audio).
Frank
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on April 14, 2006, 02:19:18 AM
Never used Sennheiser.
The two jacks are there because the mike and the phones operate separately. The phone jack may be the same as the old home audio headphones. I'm not sure, though. The mike jack is definitely too small. I'm not sure if you can find an adapter that would run a headset, or if your computer's sound card will have enough juice.
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Ted_Stryker on April 14, 2006, 02:27:17 AM
If I may ask, has anyone tried Sennheiser aviation headsets? For PC-use I use Sennheiser headphones/headset and compared to Philips which is the other main brand of electronics in my family then the Sennheiser sound-quality is very high, does that go for their aviation headsets too? And for the nutty question, if you could get a converter for the jack-plug-sizes could a aviation headset work on a computer as well? (to my knowledge the two jack-sizes for aviation headset are both different from the two std. sizes for home audio).
Frank
I'm not sure about a converter being a good option for an aviation headset for use at home. I believe, for one, the voltages are different, though I may be wrong on that. I don't have a regular stereo system at home anymore, so my last recollection regarding such equipment goes back to the days of the... ahem... cassette tape and eight-track/LP record era... oy... now that dates me :-[ My current system at home is a multi-speaker system tied in to my HDTV and TiVo unit, so there isn't even a headphone jack on it.
The other thing you may want to evaluate is that an aviation headset is geared to a given physical environment, and also for best clarity for voice communications, not music, though they can present music. Still, the optimization may be different if you are a true audiophile in terms of range response, lag, and midrange attenuation characteristics over a headset designed for stereophonic listening of music.
I have seen, by the way, converter plugs to go the other way, with a rectifier built into the plug, that lets a stereo headset be used in an airplane. I would be wary of that though, as the main use, other than communications, for a headset should also be primarily concerned with sealing out the dangerous decibel levels reached inside a cabin environment on a small plane. And remember.... hearing loss is cumulative. So, going too much on the cheap there might end up being paid for the hard way later in life.
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Mike on April 14, 2006, 04:19:38 AM
Ok, here is a little info for the guys who want to mix noise cancelling headsets with helicopters:
If you fly any helicopter with two blades: DON'T GET ONE!! 206L and Huey in particular.
I have been trying out mine for a week now and the blade slap of a two-bladed system totally interferes with the noiscancelling and actually makes it worse. I have mine turned off most of the time when I am flying with my dooers off and under 60kts. Didn't have much of an issue with the AStar but it has 3 blades.... I still like the helmet because it fits well but I guess nois-cancelling seems to be more of a stuck-wing game.
I am bummed..... :'(
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Ted_Stryker on April 14, 2006, 08:50:33 AM
Ok, here is a little info for the guys who want to mix noise cancelling headsets with helicopters:
If you fly any helicopter with two blades: DON'T GET ONE!! 206L and Huey in particular.
I have been trying out mine for a week now and the blade slap of a two-bladed system totally interferes with the noiscancelling and actually makes it worse. I have mine turned off most of the time when I am flying with my dooers off and under 60kts. Didn't have much of an issue with the AStar but it has 3 blades.... I still like the helmet because it fits well but I guess nois-cancelling seems to be more of a stuck-wing game.
I am bummed..... :'(
Wow... interesting! Is it electronic interference being generated:?
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: fireflyr on April 14, 2006, 10:52:43 AM
Mike, I guess it must just be the limits of ANR because both of mine (Bose & Dave Clark) get overwhelmed in certain instances such as takeoff in the Skymaster or any open cockpit. Fact is, the Bose flutter badly with just an open window while taxiing because their pickup mikes for the ANR are external, unlike the David Clarks which have internal mikes and are a little more resistant to air flutter. Where are the mikes located on your helmet?
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Frank N. O. on April 14, 2006, 12:33:52 PM
Interesting info there Mike, although of course also bad news for you since helicopters are among the noisiest aircraft to fly aren't they, especially when you have to fly them like you do with open doors etc. for hovering?
The headset for the pc was to be used for communication, like in flightsims or such, not for general use, I got a Sennheiser HD500 headphone for that, or I will have when I get a replacement cord since the original thin one is damaged so I don't get both channels, luckily it has plugs in both ends so it's easy to replace once I get one (so the whole headset doesn't get ripped off your head if you walk with them on and step on the cord, and let me tell you, it works! :D).
Frank
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Ted_Stryker on April 14, 2006, 03:07:57 PM
Interesting info there Mike, although of course also bad news for you since helicopters are among the noisiest aircraft to fly aren't they, especially when you have to fly them like you do with open doors etc. for hovering?
The headset for the pc was to be used for communication, like in flightsims or such, not for general use, I got a Sennheiser HD500 headphone for that, or I will have when I get a replacement cord since the original thin one is damaged so I don't get both channels, luckily it has plugs in both ends so it's easy to replace once I get one (so the whole headset doesn't get ripped off your head if you walk with them on and step on the cord, and let me tell you, it works! :D).
Frank
Ah, since you are lucky and have a cord with plugs on both ends to replace, perhaps a visit to your local Radio Shack store for some wire and plugs may be the cheap route?! Just soldier on the plugs on the cord (make sure you get wire of the same type and rating, and the plugs are the right type and size... the store personnel can help), and voila! If you can do basic soldiering, it should take all of five minutes once you have the proper parts. :)
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: Mike on April 15, 2006, 04:06:26 AM
Mike, I guess it must just be the limits of ANR because both of mine (Bose & Dave Clark) get overwhelmed in certain instances such as takeoff in the Skymaster or any open cockpit. Fact is, the Bose flutter badly with just an open window while taxiing because their pickup mikes for the ANR are external, unlike the David Clarks which have internal mikes and are a little more resistant to air flutter. Where are the mikes located on your helmet?
hmmm.... At least it's not just my helmet. On take-off and when flying low and slow it feels and sounds like somebody is sittn' behind you slapping you on both ears at the same time. What do you mean with "where are the mikes located?" ?? I have one flex-boom that comes in front of my mouth, and I sit very close to the window of course. Oh, I see! You mean, there are mikes inside the earmuffs huh?! I'll check that out.
Title: Re: Buying a headset?
Post by: fireflyr on April 15, 2006, 04:18:20 AM
Yeah Mike the retrofit ANR mikes (each earphone has a mike to pickup ambient sounds for cancelling) on my David Clarks are located internally whereas the Bose ANR mikes are located outside the earcup---don't know which is better but they both fail in wind buffet.
