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Title: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: fireflyr on January 16, 2007, 04:07:49 PM
HAAAA! |:)\

There are some people who just ask TOOO many questions ::rambo::
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: happylanding on January 16, 2007, 08:54:19 PM
Hoho! This strip brought me back memories of the old times, when I still was with my former who was - at the time - flight instructor. There were evenings during which we just laughed at students he had and did not appreciate for the same reason (kind of comradeship among lovers, I presume, since when one hates somebody, you could have the same reflect!) and he sometimes filled the flight plan by writing 2 people at tkoff 1 lndg....... :D :D :D
 
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: Mike on January 19, 2007, 04:28:21 AM
ohh yeah.... the joys of being a flight instructor, huh?!  ;D

however I do like it when people get all excited about flying and can't even wait out the answer because they have soooo many more questions (also... I charge by the hour so it's all good  ::cowboy:: )
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: happylanding on January 19, 2007, 10:02:13 AM
Well, I still think that no flight compares to the joy of a flight by yourself, you, the plane and the sky. and were it possible, no radio to do! No wonder I always go alone up there. But on the contrary.......it could be that nobody trusts me! :) And....who know if I were able to answer to all the possible questions?!?  ::rofl::
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: undatc on January 19, 2007, 03:04:40 PM
You can actually fly here in the US without a radio, no transponder too in some areas.
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: tundra_flier on January 20, 2007, 01:04:12 AM
I've always wanted to get checked out in a glider.  Seems like such a cool way to fly.  I did a little power off work with one of my ultralight instructors who was also a hang glider.  Was pretty awsome, just the wind in the wires.

I typically fly solo, tough to find someone who fits in the 150 with me after all.   ::whistle::  And it just flies so much nicer without a passenger too. ;)  However, I rather enjoy having the radio on, since I live alone solitude isn't a problem for me.  Often times when flying cross country I'll tune into one of the local carrier's co. frequencies and easedrop on their banter.

I'm not a flight instructor, but I do fly young eagles every year.  It's always so much more fun when you get a kid that's really excited about it.  And the ones that just sit there and stare out the window without saying a word really make for a long flight.  However, the kid that asked the most questions turned out not to be excited but very nervous.  She was asking about every thing I did during the preflight and taxi, even asking what everything the tower said.  Figgured she was really into it.  Well, she was my last flight of the day, and the thermals were starting to really build up....the first little bump we hit on climbout she grabbed both sides of her seat as hard as she could and held on like that till the engine was shut down!  At which point she exited the plane as fast as she could and practically ran to the car. ::knockedout::
But at least I've been lucky, so far no sick kids.  ::cowboy::

Funny...all my really memorable young eagle flights have been girls.  The boys I've gotten are usually either really quiet or really focused on trying to do everything perfect.  Had one girl that I swear will be a fighter pilot someday, and another that had ridden on small commercial flights a lot that wanted me to do aerobatics.  I feel for the next commercial pilot she rides with  ;D

Phil
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: TheSoccerMom on January 21, 2007, 12:57:38 AM
Yes, gliders look like a real blast.   

I've had two single-engine airplanes turn into gliders...  there wasn't much time to enjoy the aesthetics of the "peace and quiet"...  too busy figuring out where to land.   :D 

Phil, that is neat that you do those flights.  You may never know what effect you've had on those kids....  but it's GREAT that you do it!!!    ::bow::
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: tundra_flier on January 21, 2007, 10:03:32 AM
Well Soccer, my ultralight did become a glider once briefly.  But I had plenty of altitude and after I picked a landing spot managed to get a restart.  Got home without further incident.  But that's what I get for climbing from 450ft to 9,000ft without in-flight mixture control   ::loony::

Phil
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: fireflyr on January 21, 2007, 04:29:05 PM
9,000 FEET----IN AN ULTRALITE :o
That will renew your fear of heights ::eek::
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: tundra_flier on January 22, 2007, 09:10:02 AM
9,000 FEET----IN AN ULTRALITE :o
That will renew your fear of heights ::eek::

Actually it was pretty cool.  I was looking across the tops of a few scattered Q's over the hills to the north, and could see hundreds of miles in all directions.  Only down side was I was freezing my @ss off.  I was dressed for flying open cockpit at low altitude, at 9,000 ft it was much colder.  When I idled back to lose altitude my Rotax 503 two cycle flooded out.  Once I oped the throttle I easily got a restart.  Bui I figure I had about 30 min to find a place to land.  ;)

Phil
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: tundra_flier on January 22, 2007, 09:11:27 AM
BTW I've never been higher than 7,500 in my Cessna.  Go figure?   ::cowboy::

Phil
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: TheSoccerMom on January 22, 2007, 08:54:52 PM
That's a pretty neat claim!  7500 feet, eh?  That's pattern altitude for the airport where we spent most of last summer...  kinda cool to think about it, from that perspective!   8)

That's the FUN of flying, I think...  being able to see all the neat things there are to see down low.   ;)
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: tundra_flier on January 23, 2007, 05:14:36 AM
Don, here's a photo of me in my ultralight a few years back.

Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: tundra_flier on January 23, 2007, 05:36:16 PM
Don
Actually I was at about 1,000ft AGL when the photo was taken.  It was mid August as I recall, and a fairly wet day.  We were flying in and out of light drizzle, temp was probably around 65F.  Location is North Pole Alaska, and I was based out of Bradley Sky Ranch at the time, which has a 3,000ft gravel runway at only 485ft above sea level.

Phil
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: Baradium on January 30, 2007, 07:18:21 AM
I thought untralights weren't allowed above 1,000 ft AGL...
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: tundra_flier on January 30, 2007, 07:36:27 AM
In E and G space ultralights can pretty much do as they please.  D space and higher they need permision from the controlling athority, ie tower.  They're not allowed in A space except below 1,000ft AGL (That's how Mike Jacober of Anchorage was able to fly his over McKinley).  And they're not allowed above congested areas at all.  In Fairbanks the tower has defined a corridor below 1,000ft AGL into Metro Field that the ultralights are allowed to use, but only if they've gotten certain training from a CFI on airspace rules and visited the tower, or have a pilots certificate, unless they've changed the rules in last 5 years.

Phil
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: TheSoccerMom on January 30, 2007, 07:49:46 AM
Thanks for the info on that!   :)
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: Baradium on January 30, 2007, 07:31:15 PM
In E and G space ultralights can pretty much do as they please.  D space and higher they need permision from the controlling athority, ie tower.  They're not allowed in A space except below 1,000ft AGL (That's how Mike Jacober of Anchorage was able to fly his over McKinley).  And they're not allowed above congested areas at all.  In Fairbanks the tower has defined a corridor below 1,000ft AGL into Metro Field that the ultralights are allowed to use, but only if they've gotten certain training from a CFI on airspace rules and visited the tower, or have a pilots certificate, unless they've changed the rules in last 5 years.

Phil

I did some looking

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Ultralights may not fly in restricted or prohibited areas, Class A, B, C, D, or within the lateral boundaries of Class E airspace designated for an airport - unless pilots have prior authorization from the ATC facility that controls that airspace. Finally, ultralights cannot fly over "any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons."

BTW, Class A airspace doesn't include airspace less than 1,000 ft AGL... so it wasn't so much that he was in class A as it was he was in class G way up high.  ;)

So it sounds like you can't go into a Class E surface area either (example: Galena), without authorization and regardless of weather.    I also read that to mean that you're supposed to remain below the Class E shelf for airports with instrument approaches.  This makes sense as you're much more likely to encounter IFR aircraft coming out of the bottoms and transitioning to VFR in these areas.

Then there's this:

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Because ultralights are not aircraft, they must give way to all certificated flying machines.

I would have assumed that they would have counted under the slower/less manueverable areas for right of way... either way, it's going to be pretty tough for an ultralight to get out of the way of a 1900 coming down final approach at better than 140 kts.   Especially since an ultralight probobly isn't going to have a transponder or radio (either of which can help alert us to the presences of said craft).
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on January 30, 2007, 08:02:27 PM
Is this coming from the new LSA section?
Title: Re: PEACE AND QUIET
Post by: tundra_flier on January 30, 2007, 09:54:50 PM
Is this coming from the new LSA section?

The only thing that changed for ultralights under the LSA rules, was the 2 place trainer exemption.  Everything else is still under FAR Part 103.

Phil
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