A line of severe thunderstorms dropped tornados on their flight line. Looks like they might be shut down for a while....
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: FlyboyGil on December 26, 2006, 04:05:58 AM
I think those planes might need some repairs! :P
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: Frank N. O. on December 26, 2006, 04:20:48 AM
Holy heck, first I thought it was a planecrash then I read it was weather. Was anyone hurt? One of the planes looked like a 172 Aerobat (two windows in the roof).
Frank
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: Baradium on December 26, 2006, 04:24:06 AM
Holy heck, first I thought it was a planecrash then I read it was weather. Was anyone hurt? One of the planes looked like a 172 Aerobat (two windows in the roof).
Frank
No word on any injuries. That's a few million dollars in aircraft though. I see 2 seminoles and those run $400,000 apiece IIRC.
Roof windows are an option in 172s. At least in old ones, I believe the new ones are the same way. Don't remember ever hearing of a 172 aerobat. Closest thing I've seen (and flown one for that matter) is the Cessna T-41, which does have jettisonable doors, but I don't think you are supposed to do aerobatics in it anyway.
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: undatc on December 26, 2006, 11:24:07 AM
Hahaha... I mean, ouch.
Sorry, but honestly, put a huge multi million dollar university in the middle of a region that has one of the, if not the highest rates of thunderstorms and horriable weather in the nation, and your asking for problems. Another reason UND is better, oh wait, we have tornados, and hail the size of oranges there..... Hmmm.....
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: Panzerrat on December 28, 2006, 01:26:51 AM
Sorry, but honestly, put a huge multi million dollar university in the middle of a region that has one of the, if not the highest rates of thunderstorms and horriable weather in the nation, and your asking for problems. Another reason UND is better, oh wait, we have tornados, and hail the size of oranges there..... Hmmm.....
And snowfall to beat hell!
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: undatc on December 28, 2006, 08:58:43 PM
Sorry, but honestly, put a huge multi million dollar university in the middle of a region that has one of the, if not the highest rates of thunderstorms and horriable weather in the nation, and your asking for problems. Another reason UND is better, oh wait, we have tornados, and hail the size of oranges there..... Hmmm.....
And snowfall to beat hell!
Haha, not this year. When I left nodak for home back on the 15th, we had about 4 inchs. From what my friends tell me, currently we have no snow back there at all. And it snowed here last night and the night before (Western Washington) and that rarely happens.
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: Panzerrat on December 28, 2006, 09:59:30 PM
Yup, the snow here in Seattle a few weeks ago just shut the town down. It took me almost four hours to get from Tacoma to Everett that monday. People here cannot drive in snow.
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: undatc on December 28, 2006, 10:03:28 PM
Yup, the snow here in Seattle a few weeks ago just shut the town down. It took me almost four hours to get from Tacoma to Everett that monday. People here cannot drive in snow.
I bet, I was watching the Seahawk game that night. But yea, two nights ago we got dumped on up in the foothills (Buckley) we got like 5 inches. I dont remember the last time we got this much snow in our area.
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: Panzerrat on December 29, 2006, 03:42:41 AM
Ahhhh... Scenic Buckley. Didn't they just get their power back after the windstorm two weeks ago? I live in the lovely Port Orchard area. Last dumping ground of the true White Trash before they get driven into Mason County.
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: happylanding on December 29, 2006, 09:26:08 AM
Sorry, but honestly, put a huge multi million dollar university in the middle of a region that has one of the, if not the highest rates of thunderstorms and horriable weather in the nation, and your asking for problems. Another reason UND is better, oh wait, we have tornados, and hail the size of oranges there..... Hmmm.....
I had heard about the news here in Switzerland too. I was going to ask you if it was your FTO Undatc, but I'm glad to know that it's not the case! ::sweat::
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: undatc on December 29, 2006, 09:43:56 AM
Sorry, but honestly, put a huge multi million dollar university in the middle of a region that has one of the, if not the highest rates of thunderstorms and horriable weather in the nation, and your asking for problems. Another reason UND is better, oh wait, we have tornados, and hail the size of oranges there..... Hmmm.....
I had heard about the news here in Switzerland too. I was going to ask you if it was your FTO Undatc, but I'm glad to know that it's not the case! ::sweat::
No it wasnt. Embry Riddle is actually our biggest competition in the flight training world. They run a pretty good program, but from what my friend tells me, he just left Embry Riddle to come to UND, is they they are very unfriendly towards students. In that their cost is outrageous, something like 21k a year tuition plus flight training and living expenses in Daytona Beach FL, which isnt the cheapest place to live. Also their system for checking out aircraft, and getting your licenses done is alao a pain in the rear. They are going more towards professional pilot retraining/certifying than new pilot training now is what im told.
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: undatc on December 29, 2006, 09:49:43 AM
Ahhhh... Scenic Buckley. Didn't they just get their power back after the windstorm two weeks ago? I live in the lovely Port Orchard area. Last dumping ground of the true White Trash before they get driven into Mason County.
Haha, I know what you mean, we are a kinda of fliter for people from Carbonado and Wilkerson, keeping them from the outside world (if you dont know where these places are dont worry about it, you dont want to know, but just imagine Diliverence and you'll get the picture). My high school was filled with true hicks and rednecks, not the kind of wanna bes you see with a cowboy hat and a nice set of carharts, the guys I grew up with you could smell two rooms away.
However one good thing did come outta my high school. If you listen to country music at all you may know him, Blaine Larson. I graduated with him, and hes doing pretty well right now in country music, has a few albums out, and has been touring with the 3 hats and a redhead tour.
And actually we've had power the entire time. I fly in on the 15th and as I was pulling in the driveway, our lights came back on.
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: chuckar101 on December 29, 2006, 06:03:51 PM
These places are starting to sound like my hometown. Except no celebrities have come out of Ely, just a few of us lucky ones that got away from the mine and prison. And we might be able to keep up with you guys on the rednecks and hicks. Small world I guess. The whole embyriddle thing put a tear to my eye. :'( Seeing all those aircraft destroyed, even if I don't like the university as well.
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: Zaffex on December 29, 2006, 09:54:02 PM
Oohhh...seeing that makes me wanna hurl. ::sick:: It's just an ugly mass of twisted sheet metal and other junk.
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: fireflyr on December 30, 2006, 01:40:27 AM
HEY FOLKS' Everything you've heard about earthquakes is highly over hyped---if you want decent flying weather, ya'll wanna come to Kalifornia---We DON'T have hurricanes, tornados and all them other weather things----(Beverly Hillbillies loved it!)
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: undatc on December 30, 2006, 01:56:53 AM
I get a NATCA news letter evey so often, and in my most recent one look at what I found...
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. – The Federal Aviation Administration’s September decision to ban weather radios, commercial radios and cell phones from its air traffic control facilities placed air traffic controllers in extreme danger in the control tower cab and radar room at Daytona Beach International Airport when Monday’s tornado roared within 150 yards of the facility – with no warning given to the six controllers on duty – before carving a destructive path through Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. This marks the third such incident in three months at an FAA facility that, until recently, had access to the very latest severe weather warnings, as should be the case involving air traffic safety.
Ironically, just last week, FAA officials briefed Daytona Beach controllers on a security order detailing what to do during hazardous weather conditions. One of the requirements listed was, “Keep a watch on the skies and watch/listen to local weather." The order also states that the responsibility to evacuate the tower rests with the manager/supervisor on duty. The National Air Traffic Controllers Association believes the FAA, in disobeying its own orders for monitoring local weather conditions by banning all methods in which to do so, constitutes negligence on the part of the agency.
“This is a situation that defies all measure of common sense and responsibility,” said NATCA Executive Vice President Paul Rinaldi. “The FAA removed the radios as part of its imposed work rules in an effort to punish controllers. But it’s turning out to be a fateful decision that has serious, life or death consequences that clearly the agency foolishly overlooked. We call upon the FAA to immediately put back all radios and life-saving communications equipment.”
Without any way to hear about the tornado warning that was issued for the area, two controllers remained at their posts in the tower cab. They reported poor visibility due to the heavy rain and said they noticed the large, thick windows surrounding them start to move eerily in and out. They said the building shuddered a bit and they heard a low, moaning sound.
At the time, the tower controllers were vectoring a Comair regional jet (Delta Connection) to the airport but, without any knowledge of the tornado embedded in the severe weather, could not warn the pilots. Ordinarily, the aircraft would have been directed to the airport by the associated approach control. However, commercial power had failed about 20 minutes before the aircraft’s arrival, and the uninterruptible power source in the approach control had also failed just moments before the tornado struck the airport, silencing their radios and plunging the radar room into darkness. The pilots realized they had lost contact with the radar controllers, and had the presence of mind to attempt to call the tower, which still had power. The tower then took over the approach functions for their arrival.
The Comair jet was initially approaching a runway that would have placed it head-on into the tornado's path, but the severe weather moved onto the airport too quickly for it to land ahead of the storm front. Instead, it was redirected to the opposite runway to land behind the frontal passage. The airplane landed safely approximately two minutes after the tornado had passed, but the pilots noticed the damage to Embry Riddle from the runway and asked the controllers on the radio frequency about what had happened. Controllers also could not warn a second approaching aircraft, a single-engine Cessna, but the aircraft was re-directed to an airport south of Daytona Beach upon encountering low visibility.
“Without access to critical severe weather information, the FAA is not only showing a blatant disregard for its employees but also for the flying public,” said Kelly Raulerson, NATCA’s Daytona Beach facility representative. “Before this ban went into effect, we used to hear frequent tests of the Emergency Broadcast System on the radio in the tower that we kept on. We certainly needed to hear that familiar alert on Monday. Instead, we were cut off from the world and left in a very vulnerable position.”
In September, a severe weather system spawned tornadoes near both DuPage Air Traffic Control Tower in Illinois and Lincoln Air Traffic Control Tower in Nebraska. With FAA management having just days earlier removed radios from all towers under the imposed work rules, neither facility’s controllers knew of the impending danger nearby. At Lincoln, two controllers were on duty with no supervisors at a late hour in the day. Tornado sirens sounded, an event that, according to controllers’ own orders, mandates the use of weather radios, radios and televisions to monitor the weather. But there was nothing in the tower to use.
At DuPage, a tornado came within two miles of the tower. But controllers had no way of seeing it because heavy rains reduced visibility to a quarter of a mile. The next day, the controllers notified the FAA supervisor on duty and stated that the radio that was in the tower, which management took away, would have alerted the staff sooner. The supervisor replied, "You should have looked out the window."
Rinaldi’s call for the FAA to put back the radios into the facilities comes as the National Weather Service, in published reports, says Floridians should expect more severe storms this winter because El Nino is causing a stronger jet stream.
Once again the FAA has screwed up and refuses to right its own wrongs. What if thay Comair jet had gone into that torndao? Lemme see if i can guess the headline, "Daytona Beach Air Traffic Controllers fail to warn jet of TORNADO on runway, kills 90." Not onlny do we get the blame the FAA can point their finger at us too for it. The FAA sickens me.
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: tundra_flier on December 30, 2006, 08:29:44 AM
HEY FOLKS' Everything you've heard about earthquakes is highly over hyped---if you want decent flying weather, ya'll wanna come to Kalifornia---We DON'T have hurricanes, tornados and all them other weather things----(Beverly Hillbillies loved it!)
Come to Fairbanks! No hurricanes, No Tornadoes, and everythings new enough that it's built to modern siezmic codes. -45F temps are a breeze by comparison ;D
Phil
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: happylanding on December 30, 2006, 08:45:05 AM
HEY FOLKS' Everything you've heard about earthquakes is highly over hyped---if you want decent flying weather, ya'll wanna come to Kalifornia---We DON'T have hurricanes, tornados and all them other weather things----(Beverly Hillbillies loved it!)
Actually, I used to hear already when a child about the fact that California should have "broken apart" one day because of the St. Andrew thing. is that theory still living? ??? ???
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: Baradium on December 30, 2006, 09:03:10 AM
HEY FOLKS' Everything you've heard about earthquakes is highly over hyped---if you want decent flying weather, ya'll wanna come to Kalifornia---We DON'T have hurricanes, tornados and all them other weather things----(Beverly Hillbillies loved it!)
Actually, I used to hear already when a child about the fact that California should have "broken apart" one day because of the St. Andrew thing. is that theory still living? ??? ???
San Andreas fault is what I believe you are looking for. There is always a fault in California due for "the big one."
BTW, wasn't there a tornado in California last year?
Title: Re: NEWS FLASH: Christmas disaster for Embry Riddle Daytona
Post by: undatc on December 30, 2006, 09:07:04 AM
HEY FOLKS' Everything you've heard about earthquakes is highly over hyped---if you want decent flying weather, ya'll wanna come to Kalifornia---We DON'T have hurricanes, tornados and all them other weather things----(Beverly Hillbillies loved it!)
Actually, I used to hear already when a child about the fact that California should have "broken apart" one day because of the St. Andrew thing. is that theory still living? ??? ???
Actually the San Andreas fault line is true and quite proven. I think you may be able to see it on google earth, but ive seen discovery channel stuff on this, and the better part of Cali is moving seaward. The fault line has actually moved so much, in some places there is a big trench from where the faults are moving apart. Here is a link to a pic of it
