Roost Air Lounge => Current Strip => Topic started by: Frank N. O. on November 28, 2006, 02:44:44 PM
Title: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: Frank N. O. on November 28, 2006, 02:44:44 PM
LOL oh that was such a great one to wake up too! The joke and especially the expression on Julio's face was so funny, even thouh the attempted laughing with a dry throat made me cough then I still enjoyed it |:)\
Frank
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: fireflyr on November 28, 2006, 04:36:47 PM
HEH! :D Why is it that mechanics have this adversarial relationship with pilots----it seems to be universal. Is it because they blame us for breaking "their" airplane whenever they let us use it? :D ???
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: cj5_pilot on November 28, 2006, 08:04:13 PM
That certainly isn't limited to just aircraft mechanics....I felt the same way about ham-fisted operators and truck drivers back when I did maintanence ;D
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: Mike on November 28, 2006, 11:45:24 PM
HEH! :D Why is it that mechanics have this adversarial relationship with pilots----it seems to be universal. Is it because they blame us for breaking "their" airplane whenever they let us use it? :D ???
Hmmm... don't know WHY that is... but I sure found a way to turn that fustration into a profit, huh?!?! and you all can hopefully benefit from it too!! ;D
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: switchtech on November 29, 2006, 12:07:35 AM
Hmmm ... I'm planning on building my own "experimental" airplane over the next few years. Does that mean as mechanic and pilot for the plane I'll spend the rest of my life upset with myself?
jbs
;)
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: happylanding on November 29, 2006, 01:06:44 AM
HEH! :D Why is it that mechanics have this adversarial relationship with pilots----it seems to be universal. Is it because they blame us for breaking "their" airplane whenever they let us use it? :D ???
Luckily enough I was not blamed yet (and hope it will continue that way!)...it usually happens that the day I go flying, while prechecking, I can never open the oil thingie, to see if it's all right. I usually use my best smile to ask to any the mechanic on the tarmac to open it for me. hope it keeps going like that, otherwise, without precheck, I wonder if I can take off! :) :)
On a more serious side, my first flight instructor was a pilot and a mechanic at the same time. it was quite often the one who forgot the master on........ :) :)
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: Mike on November 29, 2006, 02:20:17 AM
As a pilot and mechanic myself I would have to say this in all honesty:
If it comes down to it, you'll always lean more towards the mechanic-side.
I don't know why, but the mechanic in you will always win (don't tell Julio !!)
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: fireflyr on November 29, 2006, 10:28:19 AM
Hmmm ... I'm planning on building my own "experimental" airplane over the next few years. Does that mean as mechanic and pilot for the plane I'll spend the rest of my life upset with myself?
jbs
;)
LOL, HMMMM--Sigmund Freud had a name for that-- ???
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: spacer on November 29, 2006, 11:33:25 PM
Ah, the vacuum pump. *@#&%$#*&% things... It'd help if he used the right wrench. ;)
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: Mike on November 30, 2006, 03:07:52 AM
Ah, the vacuum pump. *@#&%$#*&% things... It'd help if he used the right wrench. ;)
HA HA !! Now there is a guy who knows his stuff. ;D (again this is a strip that was based on a true story....)
There'll usually be at least one or two nutz that you just can't seem to reach without a properly contorted vacuum pump wrench. I've managed without one before... but it ain't fun. Engineers don't seem to like mechanics very much, ya know.
Try to adjust the rudder cables on a DA20 Katana. Ya gotta pull the fuel tank. To change the spark plugs on a Chevy Citation (with the V6) you have to pull the motor (yeah, it's a car, but same sort of thing) To seduce my ex, you have to bring a truckload of... oh, sorry. That'd be TMI.
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: Frank N. O. on November 30, 2006, 05:22:08 AM
ROFL, that was great! But while on the subject, to change the position light bulb on a Peugeot 206 in the passenger side it looks like I need to take out the whole ECU Box!! The low/high beam bulb next to it forces you to remove an extension pipe for the washer fluid bottle, but that seal is anything but tight so it corrodes the wires, one of the ferrymen on the island who has a stationwagon 206 but otherwise same model had that problem recently. The taillights require you to reach in a hole in the body. The Ford Orion (euro Escort mk4 sedan-version like Golf/Jetta) had no such problems for any service front or rear. Heck I even replaced the clutch cable without taking out anything.
I read that's one of several reasons the Porsche aircraft engine failed, that it had bad engine mounts so if one came loose the whole enigne would go loose and it used 3 instead of 2 mounts so it couldn't be fitted to std. aircraft but require special frames. Then there was the weight etc.
Btw Mike you said a true story, which one, the one in the strip or one mentioned in this thread?
I think it's sad that engineers, mechanics and pilots can't be better friends since they all depend on each other and need to work with each other. I for one would be very interested on how the plane was created, and how it's maintained so I'd like to be friends with the mechanics and engineers, but I guess I might be a bit too naive/unrealistic.
Frank
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: Mike on November 30, 2006, 07:26:55 AM
aargh...well.... boats are the same as well just so you know.... To change the starter on my engines you need to remove the whole engine. (boy, I hope they never go bad !!!)
Again: engineers versus mechanics . . .
The worst vaccum pump ever: try to change the vaccum pump on the rear engine of a Cessna 337 Skymaster !!! especially if it's airconditioned! gotta remove the engine... most fun I ever had with my pants on!!! :P (is there a "sarcastic" smiley ??)
Btw Mike you said a true story, which one, the one in the strip or one mentioned in this thread?
Frank
the strip is based on a true story, Frank! try changing a vaccum pump and have some customer ask you stupid questions about his plane while you do it and you'll find out. . . ;)
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: spacer on December 03, 2006, 04:56:05 AM
Ergh. Gotta love 'em.
The frequent task which convinced me I had to leave my job was the Cessna vacuum filter. Yeah, the one mounted near the top of the firewall, behind the instrument panel. As my arthritis got worse, I had to make sure to time the seat rail inspections (uh.... I was just being thorough, cuz I was the only one who removed the seats to inspect the seatrails... yeah, that's the ticket!) to coincide with the filter change. This was easy enough, given the time intervals involved. Then, though, it got tough even with the seats removed.
I got a scare when I had to do a borescope of the control column, as the printed instructions on the AD had me doing it from underneath, inside the cabin. Lucky for me, an inspection plate allowed me access from underneath the belly of the airplane, and I was able to complete the inspection in a fraction of the allotted (er, billed) time. That was right around the time I decided to give it up on a professional level and satisfy my aviation jones with a homebuilt.
Oh, the DA-20 Katana (and Eclipse) requires that you remove the fuel tank in order to adjust the rudder cable tension.
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: Frank N. O. on December 03, 2006, 06:36:38 PM
Wow, and I thought the Peugeot was hard to service. Are there any hard spots that often needs to be reached on say a Cardinal or Commander 112/114?
Frank
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: spacer on December 04, 2006, 02:43:28 AM
Probably some of the same, but I never got the chance to work on those models. I would think there'd be some similarities between the 172 and 177, but the doors are a lot bigger, and no wing strut, so I'd think that'd make things at least a little easier.
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: tundra_flier on December 12, 2006, 09:47:23 PM
I've had to work behind the panel on my C-150 a few times. lets just say I've gotten pretty good at installing plastic wire ties with one hand. There isn't room for me to get both arms under there!
Worst one I've encountered was replacing the rudder pedal bushings in the 150. Unlike the later models, mine doesn't have an inspection plate under them. I should have known what I was in for when my mechanic said she'd be happy to let me do that myself and just inspect it. ::) Is contortionism a required class in A&P school?
Phil
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: spacer on December 15, 2006, 12:02:57 AM
I've had to work behind the panel on my C-150 a few times. lets just say I've gotten pretty good at installing plastic wire ties with one hand. There isn't room for me to get both arms under there!
Worst one I've encountered was replacing the rudder pedal bushings in the 150. Unlike the later models, mine doesn't have an inspection plate under them. I should have known what I was in for when my mechanic said she'd be happy to let me do that myself and just inspect it. ::) Is contortionism a required class in A&P school?
Phil
Not that I recall. In fact, almost everything we did was either on a table or in the open. Well, not *everything*, but it really wasn't much like the 'real world'. My first gig when I went to work at Central was an in-depth inspection of a SuperKingAir200 (yeah, I kinda say it that way, too). The most time I spent on that airplane was under the floor panels with a vacuum cleaner. It's amazing how much stuff ends up down there! The cockpit was bad, too, and I was hanging by one arm while sucking up cracker crumbs (and who knows what else) with the other, under the panel, under the floorboards, etc. My first engine swap was a breath of fresh air (eh, literally too, I guess) as I got to spend most of my time standing.
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: Baradium on December 15, 2006, 08:19:36 AM
Hey Velojym, that's the same cockpit as the 1900... now imagine when someone spills coffee or another drink.
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: fireflyr on December 15, 2006, 08:32:39 PM
Hey Velojym, that's the same cockpit as the 1900... now imagine when someone spills coffee or another drink.
If you guys are anything like the frieght dogs I used to fly with, I can only imagine---the mechanics used to tell us drink only diet sodas because they were not sticky when some idiot pilot (which the mechanics swear is an oxymoron) spilled a drink all over the panel. We didn't make much money so some of the pilots carried bag lunches which they would spill, strew, and otherwise smear all over the flight deck---I carried windex and towels when I went to work. :P
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: TheSoccerMom on December 16, 2006, 02:39:20 AM
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Oh, Fireflyr!!!!! That is GREAT. Cracked me up. ;D
Made my day!!!! |:)\
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: Frank N. O. on December 16, 2006, 03:00:42 AM
LOL, great one indeed! :D
Frank
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: fireflyr on December 16, 2006, 05:54:23 PM
Hey S'MOM, where'd ya get the Beech 18 on floats picture? You flown one (wheels or floats)? All I remember about my limited exposure was the noise---I guess if they have some insulation and upholstry they are a little quieter but freight dogs don't have that luxury :(
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: TheSoccerMom on December 16, 2006, 06:39:00 PM
Hey there,
Got the picture from AOPA's online photo gallery... thay have some real pretty ones -- with a few of a polished Twin Beech that are just beautiful!! :) There's a link at their site, and you can download whichever ones you want.
Yeah I was lucky to have a ROARING good time as well -- did my Commercial AMES in one. It was a real blast. ;D Have never been in one on wheels, though... :-\
And, my hearing isn't so wonderful anymore, either... :'(
So far floats is about the most fun I think you can have in an airplane... of course the guy I flew with was a real character and would have been hilarious to be around at a funeral, probably. HA!! There were many highlights (landing next to glaciers, for one), but he threw in river landings, which were a real eye opener, what with the strong currents and the obstacles everywhere. It was SOME FUN. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: Baradium on December 18, 2006, 12:38:05 PM
If you guys are anything like the frieght dogs I used to fly with, I can only imagine---the mechanics used to tell us drink only diet sodas because they were not sticky when some idiot pilot (which the mechanics swear is an oxymoron) spilled a drink all over the panel. We didn't make much money so some of the pilots carried bag lunches which they would spill, strew, and otherwise smear all over the flight deck---I carried windex and towels when I went to work. :P
Now, imagine if an airplane, hypothetically speaking of course, happens to be one of two airplanes to have the transponder in the center console...
I personally havn't spilled anything liquid yet. In our case, we not only don't really make a lot of money, but we also strive for 15 minute turn arounds in areas where single engine cessnas doing airline service wouldn't be a surprise and a 1900 is a "big" airplane to the passengers. IE, going out to eat for lunch on a layover is usually a pipe dream. ;)
I've actually eaten in Nome and Kotzebue (well, delivery in Kotz), but for the most part there's no time to sample the local offerings even if you cared to spend the money. It's eat in flight or don't eat. Places like Kaltag, Nulato, Nuiqsik, Point Hope et al... if you have time to eat lunch in town... it means the airplane is broken and you're going to be there a long time.
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: spacer on December 18, 2006, 06:55:12 PM
Hey Velojym, that's the same cockpit as the 1900... now imagine when someone spills coffee or another drink.
Our pilots didn't leave anything sticky (thank goodness) and there were no odd stains under the upholstery. The passenger cabin, however, was an entirely different story. Try scrubbin' old dry soda from the hull under floor level. It's enough to drive you nutz! Lots of wiring and ductwork, and I wished my arms were an inch thick with 6 or 7 joints. I had to do a lot of it with forceps. Ok, I don't want to think about it anymore. Suffice it to say, our charter planes sometimes came back with... interesting messes in 'em. (The grandson of the FBO owner had a little party in a base customer's Falcon, doing about $50,000 worth of damage, including cleanup, in the cabin... I might pay that for a whole airplane!)
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: Baradium on December 18, 2006, 10:05:49 PM
Do I understand that the grandson did it to an aircraft he wasn't even supposed to be in?
Did the owner press charges?
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: cj5_pilot on December 19, 2006, 03:38:33 AM
Got the picture from AOPA's online photo gallery... thay have some real pretty ones -- with a few of a polished Twin Beech that are just beautiful!! :) There's a link at their site, and you can download whichever ones you want.
Yeah I was lucky to have a ROARING good time as well -- did my Commercial AMES in one. It was a real blast. ;D Have never been in one on wheels, though... :-\
And, my hearing isn't so wonderful anymore, either... :'(
So far floats is about the most fun I think you can have in an airplane... of course the guy I flew with was a real character and would have been hilarious to be around at a funeral, probably. HA!! There were many highlights (landing next to glaciers, for one), but he threw in river landings, which were a real eye opener, what with the strong currents and the obstacles everywhere. It was SOME FUN. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
They've got a nice B-18 on floats at the Alaska Aviation Heritage Museum. They used to fly it but the props been off it for the last couple years :(
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: spacer on December 20, 2006, 11:16:08 PM
Do I understand that the grandson did it to an aircraft he wasn't even supposed to be in?
Did the owner press charges?
You understand correctly.
No, but they did demand the airplane be restored to its previous condition (which was done), and they're partnering with another company to open a new FBO at the field.
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: Baradium on December 21, 2006, 02:59:25 AM
Do I understand that the grandson did it to an aircraft he wasn't even supposed to be in?
Did the owner press charges?
You understand correctly.
No, but they did demand the airplane be restored to its previous condition (which was done), and they're partnering with another company to open a new FBO at the field.
So the FBO had to pay $50,000 in that and stands to lose much more than that in buisiness from the sounds of it. I'll bet that kid really got a good talking to, huh?
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: fireflyr on December 21, 2006, 05:31:46 PM
For 50 grand in damages I believe my grandson might have had a bit more than a "talking to" ::unbelieveable:: ::complaining:
Title: Re: Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Post by: spacer on December 21, 2006, 09:49:49 PM
Do I understand that the grandson did it to an aircraft he wasn't even supposed to be in?
Did the owner press charges?
You understand correctly.
No, but they did demand the airplane be restored to its previous condition (which was done), and they're partnering with another company to open a new FBO at the field.
So the FBO had to pay $50,000 in that and stands to lose much more than that in buisiness from the sounds of it. I'll bet that kid really got a good talking to, huh?
Uh, his grandpa kicked him out for a few weeks... then started talking about putting him in charge of the line crew. After the line guys learned of this, they all threatened to walk out, so he's at a desk doing busywork now. Spoiled brat, he is.
