That is Lazy Mountain, taken from the front door of my store. The local rule of thumb is 2 weeks from the top of Lazy to the bottom of the valley for snow.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 08, 2006, 09:00:07 PM
Over the course of the last week I've watched the weather in various places changing. Last tuesday, the slope was cool, but although there was some snow in Barrow, it was only slightly on the ground and melting. Deadhorse, Nuiqsik, and Barter were clear.... now they are all covered.
Galena has been going in and out of snow, don't know if it has it for good now. Nome was close. Friday the Island was covered in Gambel and it was snowing in Savoonga.
Heavy winds and icy runways, been told that my crosswind landing skills will be excellent after a winter of flying up here. ;)
The idea of gravel runways with approach lights (lead in lights even in some cases) and full lighting doesn't seem odd to me anymore considering the weather we go into all the time.
WAAS could really help in a lot of these places if they can get it installed some day. IMO.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: tundra_flier on October 09, 2006, 07:52:19 AM
Winter in Fairbanks has been delayed until further notice.... |:)\
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on October 09, 2006, 09:34:23 PM
Flew through snow virga today. They're talking snow later in the week, but no more than 3 inches. I'm sure it won't stick around, but the leaves have peaked, so the white stuff's not far behind.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: TheSoccerMom on October 10, 2006, 04:01:09 AM
You Alaska guys have all the fun!! Well, okay, maybe not ALL, but you get a good chunk of it!!
CJ_5, you could have summarized that home-town weather report with "Perfect Palmer Swimming Weather" -- ha!!!!!!!!!
I always wished you could capture, and save, little magic capsules of "weather-time" -- save some of that "40 below and windy" stuff for days when you're in Vegas at 117 F and sweating like a pilot in confession, and vice versa. Just whip out the little capsule, break it open, and voila!! A sudden burst of cold, winter air.. ahhhhhh. 8) 8)
Sheesh... I guess I haven't gotten over the hot summer yet. Bear with me.. it'll wear off by January, promise!!! :'(
Don't lose your mittens up there!!! (Spoken like a true Soccer Mom, huh?????) ;D ;D
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Post by: Baradium on October 10, 2006, 05:03:13 AM
You Alaska guys have all the fun!! Well, okay, maybe not ALL, but you get a good chunk of it!!
CJ_5, you could have summarized that home-town weather report with "Perfect Palmer Swimming Weather" -- ha!!!!!!!!!
I always wished you could capture, and save, little magic capsules of "weather-time" -- save some of that "40 below and windy" stuff for days when you're in Vegas at 117 F and sweating like a pilot in confession, and vice versa. Just whip out the little capsule, break it open, and voila!! A sudden burst of cold, winter air.. ahhhhhh. 8) 8)
Sheesh... I guess I haven't gotten over the hot summer yet. Bear with me.. it'll wear off by January, promise!!! :'(
Don't lose your mittens up there!!! (Spoken like a true Soccer Mom, huh?????) ;D ;D
I can't use mittens, makes it hard to load and unload cargo etc...
Winds were fun today. Supposed to be going to the slope tomorrow. Winds will be back to their normal 30 gusting 40 hopefully. Ops were suspended due to 60-80 kt winds up there.
Need to get a digital camera instead of using disposables. Right now I don't have a way to take pictures of all the snow to show. ;)
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Post by: tundra_flier on October 10, 2006, 05:38:35 AM
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I can't use mittens, makes it hard to load and unload cargo etc...
MIttens and heavy gloves are the reason I love those big old knobs on my KX-170B radio. I hate the new radios with their little tiny buttons. >:(
Phil
Oh, and Baradium, you'll be surprized how much dexterity you have with mittens on with a little practice.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: chuckar101 on October 10, 2006, 10:36:49 PM
Actually have some snow on the mountaintops down here in Eastern Nevada. But there are no true seasons in Eastern Nevada. I say that because I've sen snow at least once every month of the year since I lived here.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on October 11, 2006, 06:57:15 PM
Rain turned to snow overnight last night. I hate that. The ice tears up my ice scraper. >:( It's snowed off and on all day, and we're expecting more of the same until Sunday. It wouldn't be so bad, but the wind is gusting above 30 out of the North. Makes teaching in the 172 really interesting.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: tundra_flier on October 11, 2006, 07:48:25 PM
They're forcasting Snow in Fairbanks for tonight and tomorrow, but highs in the 40's. Termination snow will be here any day now.
Hope I can get one more good flight in first, the runway I'm on now doesn't get plowed and since I don't have skis that means I'm done flying as soon as the snow comes.
Phil
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: happylanding on October 11, 2006, 08:23:10 PM
Winter in Fairbanks has been delayed until further notice.... |:)\
Same happening in London and Lugano. Here in London you can still go out with a tshirt on and no pullover. unbelievable! and the same is happening in Lugano....from what I'm hearing from my parents.......
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: tundra_flier on October 12, 2006, 02:09:24 AM
Well today in Fairbanks is what I believe you would call Blustery. About 45 degrees with 15 to 20 mph breezes. Lots of leaves flying around, but no action on the strip. I must say we're rapidly approching the time of year when global warming sounds like a darn good idea! ;)
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 12, 2006, 02:54:11 AM
Well today in Fairbanks is what I believe you would call Blustery. About 45 degrees with 15 to 20 mph breezes. Lots of leaves flying around, but no action on the strip. I must say we're rapidly approching the time of year when global warming sounds like a darn good idea! ;)
I'm probobly going on the slope tomorrow... :p It's nice in Fairbanks.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: tundra_flier on October 12, 2006, 05:38:52 AM
Raining here, and temperature rapidly falling to freezing...should be interesting getting to work in the morning... ::) I'll be glad with it freezes up and starts actually snowing, instead of this wet stuff. :P
Phil
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: chuckar101 on October 12, 2006, 03:06:40 PM
No snow or rain here since sunday ;D, but we have frost every morning.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 17, 2006, 07:30:27 PM
I'm in Georgia at the moment, wet here but not really cold...
I'm a bit stuffed up, but I have been ever since I got hit in the face with that tire last week... I'll bet all the temp changes get me by the time I get back to Fairbanks though.
I also missed the free flu shots in Fairbanks... heard maybe the airport will do some this year though. Probobly need to get one.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: tundra_flier on October 18, 2006, 05:19:17 AM
Well, it's getting a bit cool up here Baradium, but no white stuff yet (shhhh, don't say the "S" word yet!). And I've still got just enough daylight to get in a quick flight after work yet. Winter officially starts when the sun sets before I get off work. ;)
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 18, 2006, 08:28:10 PM
Well, it's getting a bit cool up here Baradium, but no white stuff yet (shhhh, don't say the "S" word yet!). And I've still got just enough daylight to get in a quick flight after work yet. Winter officially starts when the sun sets before I get off work. ;)
That's going to be really weird for me. ;)
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: tundra_flier on October 20, 2006, 11:42:13 PM
Naw...what's really weird is the first time it rains again in the spring. :D
Or going outside in the summer after a few years in Alaska. Hot and dark out is just wrong! In Fairbanks, if it's hot out it's never dark, and if it's dark, it's sure not hot! 8)
Phil
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: BrianGMFS on October 21, 2006, 02:04:28 AM
What a lovely day at work today..... Rained Cats and Dogs for most of the day (broke the record for rainfall on this date today) then to top it all off... at about 4 PM it started to snow.... Big Fat Wet clumps of the stuf.f Had almost 3 inches on the ramp by the time I left at 7:45. The 40 mile drive home wasn't much fun either. Oh Well... Atlantic Avation the FBO on the airport must be happy....... They deice all the airliners at about $5.00 a gallon ;D
Brian
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on October 21, 2006, 02:49:46 AM
They're calling for rain and snow after midnight here in the Valley....It might do that--felt like snow today--but it ain't gonna stick :P
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: tundra_flier on October 22, 2006, 03:29:08 AM
Snowing in Fairbanks now, and it's sticking. I'm betting this one will be around till April. ::)
Phil
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on October 22, 2006, 04:03:59 AM
Didn't snow....dawned a beautiful crisp October morning....but we bought the wife new snow tires (studded) anyway. I'll get changed over to my winters on the Pale Pachyderm on Monday.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 22, 2006, 09:10:59 PM
I hear the the snow is still in Fairbanks... time to put the winter front on the truck I reckon...
Phil, you know where I can get some sandbags to put in the bed of my truck? The 1200 lb engine puts a lot more weight on the front axle of the truck than the rear. ;)
I'm in Georgia still at the moment, but will be starting my trek back early tuesday morning, with the idea of having a few days off back in Fairbanks before I have to work again next monday. Then I work for two weeks and come back down so I can go to my friend's winging ceremony with the Navy, really looking forward to that one. Been getting time off for it each month for three months now actually. ;)
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: tundra_flier on October 23, 2006, 07:23:43 PM
I can safely say that winter has arrived in Fairbanks now. Forcast is for lows in the single digits this week, and snow on the ground. Winter will really be here next week after daylight savings ends. That puts sunset before 5pm.
Dug out my old cross country skis last night and stripped the old wax off, unfortunately I couldn't find my glide wax. Guess I'll have to stop at Beaver Sports tonight. Just wish I had a set for Tundra toy.
Baradium, you can get sand bags at any hardware store in town. Ace, Home Depot, lowes etc. Heck I think most of the gas stations have a few for sale this time of year. ;)
Phil
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 25, 2006, 08:53:33 PM
I don't want to know what a pair of skis for a 150 cost, do I?
I didn't expect it to be that straightforward!
I found a new problem... at idle (don't know about higher rpms yet), my truck's battery voltage is 12.3 with the headlights on with the heater blower on high. I really don't like that low voltage number. Looks like if I keep the heater off high the voltage is alright. With either one all the way off voltage is the normal 14 volts at idle.
At least it has that trickle charger with all the other heaters so I don't have to worry too much about the battery being drained down all the way as long as I keep it plugged in, but I'd prefer to have normal voltage all the time too. Later project will be to get a voltmeter to install to verify battery voltage (don't really trust the factory instrument, the 12.3 volt number is with a multimeter).
I'm back in town now (as I reckon is evidenced by the post about the truck). I think Georgia would still be shut down because of the "snow storm." ;) That and the running boards on my truck are covered with a layer of ice... I didn't quite fall down getting in it yesterday when I got in town... came close though. Stupid ice is clear and without really looking it's not really obvious. Anyone got a hammer?
-Ryan
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on October 25, 2006, 09:10:52 PM
There is a 172 on ski's at Merril. Ski's on a tri-gear look funky!
Back when I was still a greasmonkey we used to set up trucks for the oil companies for the north slope. Mostly Ford's with the 6.9 Diesel, but a few Chevy's with the 6.2 (those were tougher to set up as the factory fuel injection pumps were junk and we had to swap out with an aftermarket one that wouldn't slobber in cold weather--imagine that replaceing a factory part on a new truck just so it would run at -60 or colder). Anyhow, though the oil companies mostly ran the trucks 24/7 during the winter we did set them up for heaters. Generally we installed an oil pan heater, a lower radiator hose heater, a trickle charger for the battery and an Excel heater in the cab. That is my preferred set up (minus the Excel) to this day. I like the idea of keeping the oil warm as it helps you get oil pressure faster (and on some of the older Ford engines the oil pump shaft would actually strip out by trying to turn oil that was of a tar like consistency). The lower radiator hose heater is awesome as it moves the antifreeze by convection and they don't burn out as easily as the tank type heaters. The trickle charger keeps the battery warm by keeping it charged (though some outfits insisted on both a trickle charger and a battery blanket). The Excel kept the windshields clear of frost as well as keeping the vinyl of the seats warm enough it wouldn't crach when you jumped in.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 25, 2006, 10:07:45 PM
There is a 172 on ski's at Merril. Ski's on a tri-gear look funky!
Back when I was still a greasmonkey we used to set up trucks for the oil companies for the north slope. Mostly Ford's with the 6.9 Diesel, but a few Chevy's with the 6.2 (those were tougher to set up as the factory fuel injection pumps were junk and we had to swap out with an aftermarket one that wouldn't slobber in cold weather--imagine that replaceing a factory part on a new truck just so it would run at -60 or colder). Anyhow, though the oil companies mostly ran the trucks 24/7 during the winter we did set them up for heaters. Generally we installed an oil pan heater, a lower radiator hose heater, a trickle charger for the battery and an Excel heater in the cab. That is my preferred set up (minus the Excel) to this day. I like the idea of keeping the oil warm as it helps you get oil pressure faster (and on some of the older Ford engines the oil pump shaft would actually strip out by trying to turn oil that was of a tar like consistency). The lower radiator hose heater is awesome as it moves the antifreeze by convection and they don't burn out as easily as the tank type heaters. The trickle charger keeps the battery warm by keeping it charged (though some outfits insisted on both a trickle charger and a battery blanket). The Excel kept the windshields clear of frost as well as keeping the vinyl of the seats warm enough it wouldn't crach when you jumped in.
Is the Excel the diesel burning heater? Wouldn't mind one of those, but I hear those are $$$. The diesel burning ones I was told also serve as an engine heater, so maybe that's not the one you're talking about... I like the idea of something that will keep me and the truck warm if I get stuck out somewhere or want to leave it overnight where it can't plug in.
My truck has the following:
1) Factory heating equipment (core plug heater plus a 12v fuel heater that works when the key is on) 2) Oil pan heater 3) Transmission pan heater 4) Trickle charger 5) Battery blankets* 6) An electrical outlet in the cab, I assume for a cab heater.
*Installed by me, two blankets since there are two batteries in the truck.
Most diesel oil is 15-40, so I think that heating it is more important than on a gas engine where you can find super thin synthetics.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on October 25, 2006, 11:00:57 PM
The Excel (a brand name) was actually a 1000W electric heater for the cab. There are a couple of different makes out there. We liked the excel as it was flat and we mounted it under the driver's seat. It also helped keep the snow and ice you would track on to the floorboards from freezing and creating a perma ice rink below the driver's feet (dangerous!). Also, none of the rigs when out with carpet--vinyl on the floor with rubber floormats.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: tundra_flier on October 26, 2006, 12:25:53 AM
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Is the Excel the diesel burning heater? Wouldn't mind one of those, but I hear those are $$$. The diesel burning ones I was told also serve as an engine heater, so maybe that's not the one you're talking about... I like the idea of something that will keep me and the truck warm if I get stuck out somewhere or want to leave it overnight where it can't plug in.
Most stores in Fairbanks carry the 'Little Buddy' 900W interior heater. I have one I use to preheat the tundra toy's engine. Just set it in the bottom of the cowling and put the insulated cowling cover on. I even added an industrial thermostat in line so I can set it at 80F and leave it run over night with worring about something overheating.
Phil
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 26, 2006, 02:58:36 AM
The Excel (a brand name) was actually a 1000W electric heater for the cab. There are a couple of different makes out there. We liked the excel as it was flat and we mounted it under the driver's seat. It also helped keep the snow and ice you would track on to the floorboards from freezing and creating a perma ice rink below the driver's feet (dangerous!). Also, none of the rigs when out with carpet--vinyl on the floor with rubber floormats.
A lot of watts to add to what I already use. ;) My truck has a rubber floor as well.
Quote from: tundra_flier
Most stores in Fairbanks carry the 'Little Buddy' 900W interior heater. I have one I use to preheat the tundra toy's engine. Just set it in the bottom of the cowling and put the insulated cowling cover on. I even added an industrial thermostat in line so I can set it at 80F and leave it run over night with worring about something overheating.
Phil
Sounds like a nice way to do it. But adds up to the electric bill, no?
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: tundra_flier on October 26, 2006, 03:27:54 PM
The Excel (a brand name) was actually a 1000W electric heater for the cab. There are a couple of different makes out there. We liked the excel as it was flat and we mounted it under the driver's seat. It also helped keep the snow and ice you would track on to the floorboards from freezing and creating a perma ice rink below the driver's feet (dangerous!). Also, none of the rigs when out with carpet--vinyl on the floor with rubber floormats.
A lot of watts to add to what I already use. ;) My truck has a rubber floor as well.
Quote from: tundra_flier
Most stores in Fairbanks carry the 'Little Buddy' 900W interior heater. I have one I use to preheat the tundra toy's engine. Just set it in the bottom of the cowling and put the insulated cowling cover on. I even added an industrial thermostat in line so I can set it at 80F and leave it run over night with worring about something overheating.
Phil
Sounds like a nice way to do it. But adds up to the electric bill, no?
I only preheat the plane right before I use it, I don't leave it plugged in all the time. And the thermostat helps keep the electrical use down too. I don't use an interior heater in my cars. Added to the standard engine related preheaters pretty much maxes out a standard electrical circuit. Best way to save electricity is to use a timer, you only need to preheat for about 2 hours before you start, unless it's really cold. At -40 I do leave mine plugged in with the power on all the time. Also, at -40 I've found that an old sleepling bag over the hood makes a big difference, far fewer bad sounds when it starts that way.
I did find a little space heater at Sentury hardware that has a low setting of only 600W's and built in thermostat that I've used to preheat the interior of the plane. Takes a long time for gyros to spin up and the transponder to warm up from 0 degrees.
Phil
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 26, 2006, 04:09:27 PM
I only preheat the plane right before I use it, I don't leave it plugged in all the time. And the thermostat helps keep the electrical use down too. I don't use an interior heater in my cars. Added to the standard engine related preheaters pretty much maxes out a standard electrical circuit. Best way to save electricity is to use a timer, you only need to preheat for about 2 hours before you start, unless it's really cold. At -40 I do leave mine plugged in with the power on all the time. Also, at -40 I've found that an old sleepling bag over the hood makes a big difference, far fewer bad sounds when it starts that way.
I did find a little space heater at Sentury hardware that has a low setting of only 600W's and built in thermostat that I've used to preheat the interior of the plane. Takes a long time for gyros to spin up and the transponder to warm up from 0 degrees.
Phil
A timer could be helpful, it's already to the point of plugging in for a diesel engine now...
So you get bad noises even when plugged in when it's that cold? Do you have an oil pan heater on your car? I think my engine will resist starting before it would get to the point of bad noises, just by the nature of a diesel engine. If it's cold enough to make bad sounds, it's probobly cold enough to not start since it's a heat ignition motor... so hopefully the heaters are going to be enough.
I seem to remember hearing that avionics really don't like the cold. Some of the 1900s used to have panel heaters just to keep the avionics warm because of a reduced life expectancy maybe?
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 26, 2006, 05:46:11 PM
Oh, and I put 5 60 lb sandbags in the back of my truck (300 lbs). Makes a little difference... and now I guess I have sand I could put down if I needed to.
I hope not many places use that "snow melt" stuff I see for sale in some stores... has sodium and potassium chloride.... potassium chloride is nasty stuff.
Phil, is it still true that they don't salt the roads here? It doesn't really look like they are to me, and I sure hope they aren't.
-Ryan
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on October 26, 2006, 09:09:28 PM
So you get bad noises even when plugged in when it's that cold? Do you have an oil pan heater on your car? I think my engine will resist starting before it would get to the point of bad noises, just by the nature of a diesel engine. If it's cold enough to make bad sounds, it's probobly cold enough to not start since it's a heat ignition motor... so hopefully the heaters are going to be enough.
Sure you do. The heaters keep the fluids warm, and to a certain extent the block. However all the accessory stuff (power steering, water pump, AC pump, idler pulley, tensioner) isn't warm. Often they make some VERY interesting noises. I can tell when it's more then -20F cause when we start the wife's Explorer it has a distinctive squeal for about a minute--seems to be coming from the tensioner. I lost a tensioner and idler due to cold temps once on a '96 Bronco (302 V8). I'd just put a brand new serpentine belt on too! It was a bummer, had to change them out in those temps. Thank goodness it was only a single bolt each.
Also you can get "cold weather" leaks. As things get colder they shrink and sometimes you'll start seeing coolant leaks and the like (lower radiator hoses seem to be the worst offender). Nothing major, just get out the screwdriver and tighten it up :) In extreme low tempetures I like to drive slowly for a couple hundred yards before taking off. Gives the oil in the differentials time to warm up a bit and start lubricating. Switching all your lubes to synthetic isn't a bad idea as well. With a manual transmission I'll sometimes throw the transfer case in to neutral while the truck is warming up and put it in gear to warm the oil up there as well. Also use synthetic grease on all greasable components.
Sometimes you also get weird clunks while driving down the road. That's when you start checking for ice build up someplace that is hitting something as you go down the road.
Perhaps the wildest weather related issue I've ever had was on my old '95 Ford Ranger. I'd been out hunting with it and had done some water crossings. I didn't know that the vent for the front differential didn't have a check valve in it, and I'd gotten some water in to the front Diff. We didn't have any cold weather until well in to winter. Then one day I went out and the truck wouldn't move in 4wd. I pulled the oil plug to see if I'd somehow run out of lube and seized it. I stuck my finger in and it was solid ice! Ended up having to pull the front axle, drain the water and fluid and replace all the seals. Then I extended the diff vent to just under the hood and installed a check valve! Now after each season I check the diffs in my vehicles for water as part of the pre-winter checklist ;D
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 26, 2006, 10:35:22 PM
Sounds like if possible it's good to replace all seals and use synthetic lube everywhere, huh?
I saw synthetic Delo in the NAPA the other day, was tempted but between the old seals that would probobly start leaking and the otherwise short oil change intervel on an IDI diesel (2500 miles recommended), it was hard to stomach the idea of more than doubling the oil change cost! The thinner cold oil could help though...
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: tundra_flier on October 27, 2006, 02:28:25 AM
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Phil, is it still true that they don't salt the roads here? It doesn't really look like they are to me, and I sure hope they aren't.
No, they've never used salt before. Below about -10 it doesn't do any good anyhow. They just spread p-gravel all over. Hope you don't like your paint job too much. The city does use a little salt in it's p-gravel to help prevent clumping though, so I got the under coating when I bought my car. The bags of snow-melt you see are used a lot this time of year and in the spring mainly around doorways.
Phil
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 27, 2006, 04:04:51 AM
No, they've never used salt before. Below about -10 it doesn't do any good anyhow. They just spread p-gravel all over. Hope you don't like your paint job too much. The city does use a little salt in it's p-gravel to help prevent clumping though, so I got the under coating when I bought my car. The bags of snow-melt you see are used a lot this time of year and in the spring mainly around doorways.
Phil
At least they don't use pure salt, although I don't like salt at all. Hahaha, you havn't seen my truck yet, otherwise you wouldn't bother mentioning the paint job. ;)
If you can believe it, it looks better now than when I bought it a little while ago.
The main reason I worry about salt is for when I get my IH's up here. I'd really like to be able to drive them during the winter. If it's just a little salt then maybe they can make it without too much trouble. I'll just need to repair the rust they do have and get them coated before I come up and maybe that'll be enough... or maybe if I avoid driving them during the start and end of each snow season that would help too...
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on October 27, 2006, 07:18:44 PM
You might think about trying the semi-synthetics. They are basically half regular oil and half synthetic. Also Dura Lube actually works and helps with the cold weather starts. You got the 7.3, the 7.3 Turbo or the 7.3 Power Stroke in that rig?
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Frank N. O. on October 27, 2006, 08:42:07 PM
Denmark use wet roadsalt for months to avoid ice on the roads since we often have sub-zero degrees (celsius) but when nothing is visible on the road then people still drives as fast as in the summer, and we have an advanced professional 24-hour service ready in the winther time but usually it's not until spring that we get a blizzard that covers even the main roads (and that's the only time where no-one exceeds the speed limit here). Due to the salt then finding a car that's 10 years old that's not already rusting is hard unless it's been very well maintained, and that's a big problem for me since there aren't really any interesting sedans after around 2000-2001 that I'm interested in buying (due to extreme sound-proofing, tons of useless service-demanding electrical equipment and tons of heavy weight costing tires, fuel etc. and then they are now usually extremely ugly, think Pontiac Aztec).
Frank
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on October 27, 2006, 08:48:30 PM
You just have to wash your car more often during salt season. Even if it's below freezing (except in AK), if you have a nice sunny day you can get your car washed.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 27, 2006, 09:13:06 PM
You might think about trying the semi-synthetics. They are basically half regular oil and half synthetic. Also Dura Lube actually works and helps with the cold weather starts. You got the 7.3, the 7.3 Turbo or the 7.3 Power Stroke in that rig?
Straight 7.3 IDI. Don't know Dura Lube, but the name sounds familiar. I don't remember ever seeing a diesel semi synthetic oil. The problem with the IDI motors is they put a lot of soot into the oil, someday I'd like to get a soot remover for the truck, and then I could extend the oil change interval and it'd make it less painful to go to a synthetic.
I'm a big fan of Shell Rotella T in my engines. I have 4 gallons of 15-40 to go in the truck this weekend (it'll take 14 qts I believe with the high capacity oil filter I got). They make a 10-30 but even up here most places seem to just carry the 15-40 in Chevron Delo and/or Shell Rotella T. Delo and Rotella are the two big guns in diesel engine oil.
Side note, you can kind of see in the picture where the FNG sticker was on the door. Bought it straight from Fairbanks Natural Gas this spring and the stickers were still there when I purchased it, they pulled them off before I took delivery.
Re: Road salt, washing often does *help* but then you still make salt water which is still very hard on the metal. Even the best care to a vehicle will rust much sooner if they salt the roads.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on October 28, 2006, 01:07:07 AM
Don't know Dura Lube, but the name sounds familiar.
Due to the salt then finding a car that's 10 years old that's not already rusting is hard unless it's been very well maintained, and that's a big problem for me since there aren't really any interesting sedans after around 2000-2001 that I'm interested in buying (due to extreme sound-proofing, tons of useless service-demanding electrical equipment and tons of heavy weight costing tires, fuel etc. and then they are now usually extremely ugly, think Pontiac Aztec).
Frank
' Naw, interesting sedans dissappeared in the early 1970s. We had a 1990 Olds Cutlass Calais that wasn't bad, but I think the last actual sedan that interested me was the '68 Pontiac Grand Prix my parents had. Now if you want to talk trucks my favorites are as follows in descending order: Ford Super Duty '99-current, Ford F series '78-79, Ford F Series '72-77, Chevy/GMC '68-72, Dodge M-37. Now if we talk jeeps (real jeeps not cherokees, liberty's or anything else...just JEEP's) then the only ugly ones built were the '87-'97 YJ series. As for cars...they quit building nice looking ones in the '70s! ;D
Now I wait for the younger crowd to denounce me as a heathen!
BTW, my all time favorite car (not truck) is the 1968 Shelby GT500 KR. That is why I like the new 'stang...it recalls the REAL ponycars!
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 28, 2006, 01:23:15 AM
Now I wait for the younger crowd to denounce me as a heathen!
Only because there wasn't a single IH in your list. :P
By the way, I wonder why you choose 68-72 for the chevy gmc.... the only difference in 67 and 68 is that the 67s don't have side marker lights. ;) A lot of IH and 67-72 chevy/gmc around fairbanks... the lack of road salt rocks!
One of the trucks I need to get to Alaska: (http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v51/97/124/38407499/n38407499_31280769_602.jpg)
'71 IH 1310 4x4 Travelette.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on October 28, 2006, 04:17:45 PM
Now I wait for the younger crowd to denounce me as a heathen!
Only because there wasn't a single IH in your list. :P
By the way, I wonder why you choose 68-72 for the chevy gmc.... the only difference in 67 and 68 is that the 67s don't have side marker lights. ;) A lot of IH and 67-72 chevy/gmc around fairbanks... the lack of road salt rocks!
One of the trucks I need to get to Alaska: (http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v51/97/124/38407499/n38407499_31280769_602.jpg)
'71 IH 1310 4x4 Travelette.
Sharp looking IH! When I was a kid in the Wishkah valley, Washington State my sister (18 years older then me) married in to the Johnson family. (I joke that my brother in law has been in the family longer then I have--and it's true!). Anyhow the Johnsons owned Johnson Brothers logging. Had over a hundred trucks plus all the assorted equipment. Dad was their head mechanic and he had an international for a shop truck. It was a standard cab 1 ton IIRC. Same bodystyle as your '71. Had a covered mechanic box for a bed (Knapede I believe) and had an on board welder as well as torches, air compressor and tools. As we usually spent the summers in logging camp dad built a special front bumper for it. It was about 12-18" deep and had a high rail around it so we could put our old Suzuki trail bike on it! The front and sides were faced with Oak. We took that truck everywhere even though it was 2wd.
Grandpa had a Scout when I was a kid too. The IH's were neat rigs, similar to a Jeep in respect that they used a lot of "standard" parts rather then making their own (though IH did build their own engines and no the jeep 304 is NOT a IH 304 :P)). There are a few nice IH's around here, but they are even worse then a '73-'84 chevy for rusting out :(
So is the other international in the pic yours as well? I'm going to guess and hazard that it's powered by caterpillar.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 28, 2006, 08:55:06 PM
Sharp looking IH! When I was a kid in the Wishkah valley, Washington State my sister (18 years older then me) married in to the Johnson family. (I joke that my brother in law has been in the family longer then I have--and it's true!). Anyhow the Johnsons owned Johnson Brothers logging. Had over a hundred trucks plus all the assorted equipment. Dad was their head mechanic and he had an international for a shop truck. It was a standard cab 1 ton IIRC. Same bodystyle as your '71. Had a covered mechanic box for a bed (Knapede I believe) and had an on board welder as well as torches, air compressor and tools. As we usually spent the summers in logging camp dad built a special front bumper for it. It was about 12-18" deep and had a high rail around it so we could put our old Suzuki trail bike on it! The front and sides were faced with Oak. We took that truck everywhere even though it was 2wd.
Thanks.
Don't suppose that truck doesn't still exist somewhere?
This rack (as well as the winch) were removed for transport.
Grandpa had a Scout when I was a kid too. The IH's were neat rigs, similar to a Jeep in respect that they used a lot of "standard" parts rather then making their own (though IH did build their own engines and no the jeep 304 is NOT a IH 304 :P)). There are a few nice IH's around here, but they are even worse then a '73-'84 chevy for rusting out :(
There are a lot of them around fairbanks. The road salt is what gets the IHs. Since there is no road salt to speak of in Fairbanks the rust isn't very much of an issue here. If I can find a place to store them, I have a line on a guy with 20-30 IHs from Scouts to Travelalls to Pickups with most of them in very good shape. I've got maybe a year to find space for them or they'll get scrapped. :(
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So is the other international in the pic yours as well? I'm going to guess and hazard that it's powered by caterpillar.
No, that one is a friend of mine who's an owner op truck driver. I don't remember which truck it is, but I think it's his "new" one (around a 2001 IIRC), which has a Detroit in it. His other trucks have Cats IIRC (his wife drives as well). He picked up the crewcab in Wisconsin for me (transport in trade for a '60 model road tractor I owned), that truck is currently in Nebraska but needs to make Georgia for refit and loading before coming up here.
Take a look at track #2 (click the speaker on the right to listen): http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v51/97/124/38407499/n38407499_31280768_288.jpg
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on October 29, 2006, 03:43:41 AM
My brother in law had that old shop truck last. He got rid of it before moving to Alaska about a decade ago. It had pretty much rotted in to the ground before then. :(
Heh, a Detroit....my old man is a Detroit specialist. I grew up around them. We dropped a 4-53 in to a '78 F-350 once with some BIG tires. This was about the time Bob Chandlar was making a lot of noise about a rig called "Big Foot". To us it was just a hunting rig :P Detroit to me equals "Jimmy" or "Screaming Jimmy" when talking about the two stroke -53, -71 and -92 series :) Yeah I'm a gear head even outside aviation!
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 29, 2006, 03:58:22 AM
My brother in law had that old shop truck last. He got rid of it before moving to Alaska about a decade ago. It had pretty much rotted in to the ground before then. :(
Ouch...
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Heh, a Detroit....my old man is a Detroit specialist. I grew up around them. We dropped a 4-53 in to a '78 F-350 once with some BIG tires. This was about the time Bob Chandlar was making a lot of noise about a rig called "Big Foot". To us it was just a hunting rig :P Detroit to me equals "Jimmy" or "Screaming Jimmy" when talking about the two stroke -53, -71 and -92 series :) Yeah I'm a gear head even outside aviation!
This is his first Detriot, he's a diesel mechanic as well though. Does all his work on his trucks (I'll be the brakes are fun). He owns his own trailers as well.
You know Diamler bought Detriot? Now they are slowly trying to introduce mercedes diesels rebranded as detriots. You've seen the last new detriot engines... from now on it'll just be whatever mercedes engines DC wants to fool truckers into thinking are American designs. Word is that they are also looking to stop using the 5.9 cummins so they can go to a mercedes diesel in the dodge trucks as well...
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: fireflyr on October 29, 2006, 03:15:13 PM
My brother in law had that old shop truck last. He got rid of it before moving to Alaska about a decade ago. It had pretty much rotted in to the ground before then. :(
Heh, a Detroit....my old man is a Detroit specialist. I grew up around them. We dropped a 4-53 in to a '78 F-350 once with some BIG tires. This was about the time Bob Chandlar was making a lot of noise about a rig called "Big Foot". To us it was just a hunting rig :P Detroit to me equals "Jimmy" or "Screaming Jimmy" when talking about the two stroke -53, -71 and -92 series :) Yeah I'm a gear head even outside aviation!
Spent a few years driving a Euclid rock truck with a 12-71 Detroit-------Geez, I'd get off work and my ears would be ringing from listening to that howling mother all day even though I wore EAR plugs with noise muffs over them--- did a lot of damage to my hearing. Todays engines with their wide torque bands are so much superior and I'll not mourn the passing of two stroke Detroits.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on October 29, 2006, 05:27:54 PM
Heh, I blame my high frequency hearing loss on hanging at the shop with my dad as a kid. A Jimmy is loud enough in a truck where you at least have a vague semblance of an exhaust system. When I was working at a shop we used to get in a lot of "power pack" units that used 3-53 or 4-53s for power. Can we say straight pipes? I think my ears still are ringing!
A Euclid eh? Only been around a few of those. Every one I've seen has been HUGE! Seems most of em are used in quarry's and the like. Northstar did have a couple rented for a big job a few years back. Things were OLD and after the job was done the outfit that leased em out never called back...they forgot they owned em! Northstar had to call and say "hey, we're tired of storing these things where do you want them delivered?" I understand roading them back from Soldotna to Seward was quite the adventure...
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on October 29, 2006, 07:31:02 PM
OK, winter is definitely here:
Click here to watch Winter-is-here-23 (http://media.putfile.com/Winter-is-here-23)
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on October 29, 2006, 09:20:38 PM
The video messes up once it fully loads (for me anyway). Get sound and no video.
I put fresh oil in my truck last night, hopefully I can make it through the winter without having to do it again!
3 gallons of oil. ;)
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on October 30, 2006, 01:53:43 AM
The video messes up once it fully loads (for me anyway). Get sound and no video.
I put fresh oil in my truck last night, hopefully I can make it through the winter without having to do it again!
3 gallons of oil. ;)
bah 3 gallons, that's nothing! ;)
We had a guy bring several engines in once....4 fish totes worth....all Cummins NTC 350s. He wanted us to get him one useable one as cheap as possible. We did. He had his guys install it. Problem was they got quarts and gallons confused. Put a rod right through the side of the block. ALWAYS read the instructions....13 Qts and 13 gallons are different.....
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on November 02, 2006, 07:09:09 PM
We had a guy bring several engines in once....4 fish totes worth....all Cummins NTC 350s. He wanted us to get him one useable one as cheap as possible. We did. He had his guys install it. Problem was they got quarts and gallons confused. Put a rod right through the side of the block. ALWAYS read the instructions....13 Qts and 13 gallons are different.....
That's why you *always* check the oil dipstick when you're adding oil, especially before start up! Someone lose a job over that one?
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on November 02, 2006, 11:14:47 PM
No but they tried to blame it on us ??? We rebuilt it again and patched the side of the block at a discounted price. Until that day I hadn't realized you COULD weld cast iron! |:)\ Went right through an oil journal...had to lay a piece of pipe in there then weld a patch over. Wasn't me doing the welding though, was the boss. I'm okay with regular stick or wire feed, but I haven't done cast or aluminum.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on November 02, 2006, 11:45:59 PM
Seems like a lot of trouble if he brought a number of blocks in? Easier than cleaning one of the other ones up?
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on November 03, 2006, 02:49:49 AM
Sorry, I meant PARTS of several NTC-350s..only one block. My bad for not being more specific. There were several cranks, cams, pistons, etc. Don't recall if there were too many heads though. We are talking roughly half my life ago....I'm a geezer...look at the grey in the beard...I can prove it! :P
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on November 03, 2006, 03:30:07 AM
So are you saying you're one of those unbold pilots?
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on November 03, 2006, 08:00:00 PM
ROFL! Well, cautious DOES describe me...I like to carry a few extra knots over the threshold "for wife and kid" if ya know what I mean ;D
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: fireflyr on November 04, 2006, 10:12:05 AM
Sorry, I meant PARTS of several NTC-350s..only one block. My bad for not being more specific. There were several cranks, cams, pistons, etc. Don't recall if there were too many heads though. We are talking roughly half my life ago....I'm a geezer...look at the grey in the beard...I can prove it! :P
GEEZER----GEEZER---!!!! Hell I got dirty laundry that's older than you---And a few little gray hairs don't mean you'r getting forgetful...............................UH, what were you talking about and why did I reply? HMMMM ???
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Baradium on November 04, 2006, 08:42:14 PM
ROFL! Well, cautious DOES describe me...I like to carry a few extra knots over the threshold "for wife and kid" if ya know what I mean ;D
There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Frank N. O. on November 04, 2006, 11:51:32 PM
Hehe, I found my first white hair when I was 18 (it looks white when I find a loose long one but others say silver or grey), and my hair was originall dark brown but now it's so light even my mom who's sight is very bad now dropped her jaw when she saw me in the light recently. I also have white hairs in my beard but only a few, and only when I haven't shaved in a few weeks, which I often do since it's not fun shaving over a pimple, yes I have both pimples and white hair at age 28 but it fits since mentally I'm a mix of a lot of things, old and young so I'm fine with it, and at my age my dad was going bald but I just have the same tall forehead I've had always, I think it's what's called a widow's peak but my normal plain left parden hairstyle fits well to make my head look sort of normal and ok.
About winter then we've recently had the first frost and some mild slush snow here and it's started to be cold, very cold, and this place only has electric heating (very high power use and expensive but very little efficiency in heating the rooms), no insulation under the floor (18 degrees C at 5 ft and 12 degrees C at floor level) and this place is not well made at all, big gaps in walls etc. so it's not a fun place to live when it's cold. I guess that's what's motivating me to save up to get to California. I've gone for weeks now without buying anything extra besides bare essentials and I've had great offers on classic movies etc. I can better handle heat than cold and not having to be afraid that the summer tires will make one crash during winther time and not having to go out 15 minutes before you need to drive to start the car and scrape ice and snow off and then get in a freezing car etc. etc. won't be missed. I think Jim earlier said something like this: Places with snow are nice to visit but I prefer a temperate climate. I agree, especially since I got a problem with circulation in my toes so I'm in freezing pain even with two socks on, and of course that cold floor here doesn't make it better since it's normal in Denmark to walk in your socks, or in-door shoes/slippers.
Frank
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on November 05, 2006, 06:49:34 PM
Hey, Frank. Dealing with the cold stinks when you don't have the proper equipment. But, there are things you can do. If your feet are cold, put on a hat. Over 50% of your body heat is lost through your head, so putting a cap on that dome helps out a lot. Stay dry. My dad always says he doesn't mind be cold, and he doesn't mind being wet, but he does mind being cold and wet. Keep your core warm. Wear layers to help insulate your torso. If you've got an extra sweater on all the time, you might save some heating costs. ;) Good luck, dude.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: cj5_pilot on November 05, 2006, 07:27:31 PM
Hey, Frank. Dealing with the cold stinks when you don't have the proper equipment. But, there are things you can do. If your feet are cold, put on a hat. Over 50% of your body heat is lost through your head, so putting a cap on that dome helps out a lot. Stay dry. My dad always says he doesn't mind be cold, and he doesn't mind being wet, but he does mind being cold and wet. Keep your core warm. Wear layers to help insulate your torso. If you've got an extra sweater on all the time, you might save some heating costs. ;) Good luck, dude.
Wonderful advice Gulf---I used to be a survival instructor and that was the single best piece of advice we offered---folks look at you like you are nuts but it's true |:)\ |:)\ |:)\
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Frank N. O. on November 06, 2006, 05:40:59 AM
I've heard that, the thing is that I'm usually already so hot in both torso and head I need to switch to cold air to my face, and then quickly back to the windows to not get them misted up (and the Peugeot can't demist sidewindows and windshield at the same time unlike the old Ford!). Basically I think I got bad circulation in my toes and that's hard to cure. Besides with two thick socks on the shoes are very tight, and I got a tougher time feeling the pedals (and even worse circulation). Basically I just wanna move from here. Nothing's keeping me here except the lack of a green card. My mom got help secured from the county and my (much) older brother (44) is finally getting around to getting a good education that he likes and can use and that's all I got left here.
Btw, speaking of the car, the floor heating vents are under the legs in the driver's side, only the passenger side also has one over the feet, I guess the steering and pedals are in the way in the driver's side. I don't think winter boots will help either since I mistakingly bought some walkingshoes thinking it was just a different name for sneakers/runningshoes but it wasn't, the soles were thicker and so stiff I had major lack of feel for the pedals and I'm sure lined boots are like that too.
Here's a picture from earlier this year, our annual blizzard in DK (otherwise we normally just have slush/rain and freezing nights). For a hint of scale then the 206 is exactly as tall as a Ford Focus but of course a lot shorter.
Frank
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: BrianGMFS on November 10, 2006, 12:03:04 AM
Winter sure wasn't here in Vermont today.... Sunny and 65 deg. this afternoon... Probably won't see another day like this until April or May. And to think, 3 weeks ago we had 4 inches of snow.....
Brian
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: tundra_flier on November 17, 2006, 05:24:45 AM
I've heard that, the thing is that I'm usually already so hot in both torso and head I need to switch to cold air to my face, and then quickly back to the windows to not get them misted up (and the Peugeot can't demist sidewindows and windshield at the same time unlike the old Ford!). Basically I think I got bad circulation in my toes and that's hard to cure. Besides with two thick socks on the shoes are very tight, and I got a tougher time feeling the pedals (and even worse circulation). Basically I just wanna move from here. Nothing's keeping me here except the lack of a green card. My mom got help secured from the county and my (much) older brother (44) is finally getting around to getting a good education that he likes and can use and that's all I got left here.
Btw, speaking of the car, the floor heating vents are under the legs in the driver's side, only the passenger side also has one over the feet, I guess the steering and pedals are in the way in the driver's side. I don't think winter boots will help either since I mistakingly bought some walkingshoes thinking it was just a different name for sneakers/runningshoes but it wasn't, the soles were thicker and so stiff I had major lack of feel for the pedals and I'm sure lined boots are like that too.
Here's a picture from earlier this year, our annual blizzard in DK (otherwise we normally just have slush/rain and freezing nights). For a hint of scale then the 206 is exactly as tall as a Ford Focus but of course a lot shorter.
Frank
Don't know what kind of shoes you get across the pond there, but I've flown Tundra Toy with -40 rated pack boots and never had trouble coordinating the rudders. I've driven my Dodge Neon with the same many times too. Just takes practice, you can get the 'feel' down. Heck, my standard flying and driving footwear for over 1/2 the year is a pair of Danner insulated hunting boots. You might also try buying a second pair of shoes a size larger so you can wear the extra socks without pinching off the blood. And if you can get them the Austrailan made Smart Wool brand socks are so warm and comfortable their almost sinful. ;)
Phil
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: chuckar101 on November 19, 2006, 04:08:08 AM
Now that I'm in Arizona at flight school (yes it's been awhile since I've been online) there is no such thing as winter. everyday has been sunny, no wind and at least 80 degrees outside. So I don't think I'll be seeing anything that resembles winter down here, but at least its always a nice day to fly.
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: Frank N. O. on November 19, 2006, 04:16:04 AM
Well Phil I must admit that I don't have much feel in boots since the pedals are so light, and that's a cheap 2001 car, a new car is even worse, I know that from test-drives last week (see Subaru thread in the general forum for details) and with me sitting in sadness and depression from my dad's death then I lost a fair part of the already not weak muscle strength so it sounds like I definately lack some important skills.
Frank
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: tundra_flier on December 05, 2006, 05:29:06 AM
Hey, Frank. Dealing with the cold stinks when you don't have the proper equipment. But, there are things you can do. If your feet are cold, put on a hat. Over 50% of your body heat is lost through your head, so putting a cap on that dome helps out a lot. Stay dry. My dad always says he doesn't mind be cold, and he doesn't mind being wet, but he does mind being cold and wet. Keep your core warm. Wear layers to help insulate your torso. If you've got an extra sweater on all the time, you might save some heating costs. ;) Good luck, dude.
Wonderful advice Gulf---I used to be a survival instructor and that was the single best piece of advice we offered---folks look at you like you are nuts but it's true |:)\ |:)\ |:)\
Up here the survival instructors allways stress to dress for the weather. There've been a few too many case where people survived a plane wreck only to die of exposure because their survival gear was inaccessible because of the crash, on fire or under water being the most common reasons. That's how I know I can safely fly my 150 with -40 rated pack boots on. We had a case last year where a man survived after a terrible crash by huddling close to the burning wreckage.
Phil
Title: Re: Is winter coming, or is it here?
Post by: fireflyr on December 05, 2006, 04:07:19 PM
Hey, Frank. Dealing with the cold stinks when you don't have the proper equipment. But, there are things you can do. If your feet are cold, put on a hat. Over 50% of your body heat is lost through your head, so putting a cap on that dome helps out a lot. Stay dry. My dad always says he doesn't mind be cold, and he doesn't mind being wet, but he does mind being cold and wet. Keep your core warm. Wear layers to help insulate your torso. If you've got an extra sweater on all the time, you might save some heating costs. ;) Good luck, dude.
Wonderful advice Gulf---I used to be a survival instructor and that was the single best piece of advice we offered---folks look at you like you are nuts but it's true |:)\ |:)\ |:)\
Up here the survival instructors allways stress to dress for the weather. There've been a few too many case where people survived a plane wreck only to die of exposure because their survival gear was inaccessible because of the crash, on fire or under water being the most common reasons. That's how I know I can safely fly my 150 with -40 rated pack boots on. We had a case last year where a man survived after a terrible crash by huddling close to the burning wreckage.
Phil
Absolutely correct Phil, Too many folks have survived off-airport landings only to succumb to hypothermia because of wearing jeans and sneakers for a flight over hostile terrain in winter weather :-\ "Dress like you might have to hike out" should be our mantra----- 8)
