Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: ZK Kiwi on July 31, 2011, 05:18:08 AM
I'm sorry, that movie looks terrible - Pearl Harbor all over again! the CGI is so Cartoon - like I half expected to see Chuck flying! (dont any of the CGI animators ever bother to see how a real Mustang turns!) And honestly "stay with the heavies!" You actually have to engage the incoming fighters - Goering made that mistake in the Battle of Britain. Hollywood strikes again.......
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: vldflight on July 31, 2011, 02:09:52 PM
I'll go see her despite messing up some history...anytime I can see my beloved B-17 in flight you can count me in.
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: Oddball on July 31, 2011, 03:34:31 PM
Yep good story line but too much CGI for me. Didn't the Tuskegee Airmen fly P-51B's over Italy before using the D version?
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Post by: Fabo on July 31, 2011, 05:31:19 PM
Is this the one that was shot in Czech Republic?
If so, I have been in and about the B17 interior they used there... could not get to the real one though.
(you can see I liked it)
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: FlyboyGil on August 01, 2011, 10:07:51 PM
The animation didn't look to bad. Hard to get all those planes together today. Stay with bombers, have to see the movie if it's the same mistake Goering made, or if he's saying for his fighters not to let the enemy lure them away. Granted they P-51's may be a little over flying, but the Tuskeegee's were really good pilots. Have to see the movie. Looks good.
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Post by: Rooster Cruiser on August 02, 2011, 06:38:30 AM
This one appears disappointing. Yes, the Red Tails flew either B's or C's. I don't know when they finally received D's, but it would have been near the end of the war if they even did. They simply got the hand-me-downs that could be spared from other units.
I'm with ya Kiwi. The CGI is waaaaaaaayy too cartoonish in this clip, but I was half expecting to see Shrek in a cockpit. Methinks Chuck would stay the heck away from this turkey.
RC
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Post by: Oddball on August 02, 2011, 09:24:04 AM
I know that the USAAF used P-47's to strafe Luftwaffe airfields not so sure on escort tactics. Think they flew near but not with the bomber stream so they could manoeuvre.
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: tundra_flier on August 05, 2011, 08:01:37 AM
I don't know...could be pretty good despite the sometime over the top looking CGI flight scences. Also wondering if those aren't preliminary animations before the final clean-up.
Phil
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: Lt.Fubar on August 09, 2011, 08:44:38 AM
It's hollywood history... not your grandfathers ::drinking::
Remember, in hollywood ice sinks ::loony::
Staying with bombers is very bad: 1. bombers are sloooow, fighters would burn a lot of fuel flying well bellow their cruise speed; 2. bombers are always attacked by fighters having energy advantage (speed and height), as escort you also want to have higher energy to engage other fighters; 3. .50 cal are unhealthy, and we are talking hundreds of planes, each having 10+ machine guns spraying rounds EVERYWHERE with poor accuracy, chasing someone through engaged formation of bombers is just asking to be hit by stray bullet.
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: tundra_flier on August 09, 2011, 12:25:43 PM
It's hollywood history... not your grandfathers ::drinking::
1. bombers are sloooow, fighters would burn a lot of fuel flying well bellow their cruise speed;
Yes, they did. In fact I was privelage to know one of the engineers/test pilots who solved one of the problems associated with this. The Allison equiped fighters especially (P-38's most notably) were having a terrible time with engine failures when jumped during escort duty, particulary in Europe. They had a to cruise at such extreamly low power settings that the lead rich 130 octane fuel wouldn't fully atomize at the cold high altitude temps, even after the turbo. As a result the plugs fowled badly causing detonation and catastrophic engine failure when pushed to full power. The solution was a pilot controlled carb heat system coupled with shutters that closed off the turbo intercoolers and training the pilots to switch to manual mixture control during escort cruise and lean beyond peak. Not only did they solve the detonation problem, they managed to double the range of our fighters. A salute to the late Randy Acord and the rest of the crew at the Ladd Field Cold Weather Research Station. |:)\
Phil
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: chuckar101 on August 16, 2011, 04:16:17 PM
Hope they clean up the cgi and dont turn into some love story like Pearl Harbor, but unfortunately thats the way movies are these days. Plus thats the only way to get close to how the fighting felt for those men.
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: FlyboyGil on February 26, 2012, 10:05:15 PM
I know this is old, but has anybody seen the movie? It never played here for some reason ::complaining: ::complaining: I still want to see it.
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Post by: UtahHeli_Ken on February 27, 2012, 03:08:36 AM
Unfortunately I saw it... Probably the worst aviation movie I have ever seen! Terrible acting. And not historical in the least. Maybe I am being too hard on it, but I didn't see much that I liked in it.
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Post by: Oddball on February 27, 2012, 10:57:46 AM
Saw a lot better (and older) version of this a while back can't remember the title now. Think its been released over here but have not seen it advertised.
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Post by: chuckar101 on February 28, 2012, 06:26:58 PM
I thought it was pretty good. Yeah they added a love story into it. But got a lot of the historical data correct. They did jump a few steps and put them from P40's staright to the P-51D. Disliked the whole evil german pilot thing though.
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Post by: madpilot44 on February 28, 2012, 10:08:17 PM
The older version was the Tuskegee Airmen. This marks the second time Cuba Gooding Jr. is in a movie about the same group of pilots. Haven't seen it though, but I also thought the CGI was less than convincing. At least in the first one they used real planes, and no love story...
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: Mike on March 02, 2012, 10:24:13 AM
So, for a guy who saw the older Tuskegee Airmen movie (with the real planes) and knew one of them personally . . . .
should I go see it, or not?
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: Baradium on March 03, 2012, 01:20:16 AM
So, for a guy who saw the older Tuskegee Airmen movie (with the real planes) and knew one of them personally . . . .
should I go see it, or not?
Sorry chuckar101, I think they really flubbed the historical data. As far as I understand the first movie that Mike references above got it right and they aren't even close with what historical data the new movie claims.
Mike: I was horribly dissapointed. They didn't even get the period language right. Wait for TV if you still want to see it. As far as seeing how a P-51 flies, they didn't even see how ANY airplane flies.
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: Rooster Cruiser on March 03, 2012, 07:46:29 AM
Sounds Sad...
RC
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Post by: Mike on March 09, 2012, 02:11:41 PM
you know what would be cool?
A full lenght Pappy Boyington movie!
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: Rooster Cruiser on March 09, 2012, 04:16:36 PM
#1. |:)\ I grew up watching the old TV Series "Baa Baa Black Sheep" with Robert Conrad as Pappy Boyington. Would love to see THAT on the big screen! ::drinking::
RC
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Post by: Oddball on March 09, 2012, 09:06:16 PM
Used to have that video ;D
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: Mike on March 10, 2012, 02:24:08 PM
#1. |:)\ I grew up watching the old TV Series "Baa Baa Black Sheep" with Robert Conrad as Pappy Boyington. Would love to see THAT on the big screen! ::drinking::
RC
We used to LOVE that show! (still do actually)
AND they used real Corsairs in it! For a TV show! Probably unthinkable nowadays......
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: chuckar101 on March 14, 2012, 03:25:34 PM
So, for a guy who saw the older Tuskegee Airmen movie (with the real planes) and knew one of them personally . . . .
should I go see it, or not?
Sorry chuckar101, I think they really flubbed the historical data. As far as I understand the first movie that Mike references above got it right and they aren't even close with what historical data the new movie claims.
Mike: I was horribly dissapointed. They didn't even get the period language right. Wait for TV if you still want to see it. As far as seeing how a P-51 flies, they didn't even see how ANY airplane flies.
Well I'll agree to disagree on the historical data. I've seen the old one as well, and it was a great movie. Unfortunately that movie today wouldn't sell many tickets. The problem with any historical movie, it still has to make money.
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: Mike on March 15, 2012, 02:32:46 PM
that could be a problem with the Boyington movie as well.
How many people nowadays (and I'm talking the current "Avatar" and "Twilight" watching generation) will even know who Pappy Boyington even was . . .
Unfortunately, the Pacific War is getting forgotten with it's survivors dying out.....
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: Fabo on March 16, 2012, 11:38:27 PM
That is the course of every war, for better or worse. A generation that will never be able to imagine how it was once possible that you simply could not travel to Austria from Slovakia, when today, you do not even need a passport, is already growing up. The Cold War will be soon just in history, even though today, we all know people who were directly involved, or even we personally were...
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Post by: Oddball on March 20, 2012, 07:34:15 PM
Just been watching Black Sheep again Mike and noticed they use a lot of aerial shots from Battle of Britain :)
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: Mike on March 21, 2012, 03:27:28 AM
Just been watching Black Sheep again Mike and noticed they use a lot of aerial shots from Battle of Britain :)
lost of stock footage there, yes.....
but they filmed it only a couple of miles from KVNY where I work. the strip is still there and I ran into a few people who worked on the show they had 4 or 5 real Corsairs for the show! 4 real Corsairs for a TV show!!! those days are gone forever sadly....
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Post by: Oddball on March 23, 2012, 12:24:01 AM
Is that where the M*A*S*H tv series was filmed? hate to say this but....................a lot of the scenery looks similar ::banghead::
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Post by: Mike on March 23, 2012, 10:14:36 PM
Not quite. MASH was filmed south of Van Nuys and Black Sheep north of Van Nuys. But it's within 40nm and all in Southern California, so pretty close....
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Post by: UtahHeli_Ken on June 15, 2012, 01:02:16 AM
that could be a problem with the Boyington movie as well.
How many people nowadays (and I'm talking the current "Avatar" and "Twilight" watching generation) will even know who Pappy Boyington even was . . .
Unfortunately, the Pacific War is getting forgotten with it's survivors dying out.....
I know who Pappy Boyington was! So count one :D I was also going to add, I know a WW2 Corsair pilot. We have his Cessna 170. Its amazing to get him talking about his time flying them. He remembers it all like it was yesterday! So cool!
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Post by: Mike on June 15, 2012, 02:36:00 AM
That is sooo cool!
Make sure you have him tell you as many stories as possible because these guys are fading into history rather quickly lately unfortunately.... Not many left.
I still regret not quizzing my grandpa on more stories but I was too young to understand it all back then.....
Title: Re: Red Tails Movie. Looks good, maybe a little Hollywood...
Post by: Rooster Cruiser on June 18, 2012, 07:06:48 AM
During the Second World War, my paternal grandfather was an enlisted sailor on an army troopship that dropped soldiers at Palau and Okinawa. He was a Machinist's Mate, but his combat station was on a quad 40mm anti-aircraft gun battery. He was awarded the Bronze Star for his bravery during a Kamikaize attack on his ship off the Ie Shima peninsula.
Grandpa Chuck (yes, his name WAS Chuck! Hehe) didn't like talking about it much, but I did get the gist of it from him. He said he did what he had to do so his ship wouldn't sink from suicide attacks. The reality was that he had to deal with all the blood and gore of pulling the remains of a shipmate from his 40mm battery so he could take his place and keep his battery's guns shooting.
My life pales in comparison to my grandfather's...
