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Post by: Mike on June 14, 2011, 01:29:18 AM
oh no!!
that's horrible! :'( :'( :'(
How many are left now? Was this the last one ? ? ?
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Post by: Lt.Fubar on June 14, 2011, 05:20:08 AM
Around 11 airworthy left in the world... from 12700 made...
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Post by: Oddball on June 14, 2011, 09:32:22 AM
|:)\ *sniff* glad the crew got out safely but not a good sight to see. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Pink Lady in France was grounded last year so that only leaves Sally B flying out of Duxford as the only European airworthy B-17.
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Post by: FlyboyGil on June 15, 2011, 01:01:48 AM
R.I.P. LIBERTY BELLE. :'(
(Thunder Over Michigan, 2010)
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Post by: Oddball on June 15, 2011, 07:56:31 AM
|:)\ |:)\ ::bow::
seen other photos, looked like "Belle" landed on her wheels before burning out :'( :'( Did she recently get a new paint job?
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Post by: tundra_flier on June 16, 2011, 08:38:43 AM
|:)\ |:)\
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Post by: Mike on June 16, 2011, 03:43:33 PM
does anybody have more pictures and/or a more detailed story on what happened??
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Post by: FlyboyGil on June 16, 2011, 08:47:16 PM
Here's the organization and what they say happened. Man it wasn't so bad when they landed!! ::complaining: ::complaining:
http://www.libertyfoundation.org/index.html
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Post by: vldflight on June 16, 2011, 10:44:51 PM
One of the saddest days. I just visited her last november when they visited the air show here. So glad the crew was able to get home safely, and a big salute to the very fine piloting that landed her so gently in the field.
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Post by: tundra_flier on June 16, 2011, 11:25:42 PM
I knew a WWII test pilot/Engineer from the Ladd Cold Weather testing facility in Fairbanks. He once told me the B-17 was the easiest taildragger he'd ever flown. He described it as a big cub.
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Post by: Jupiter on July 13, 2011, 02:45:26 PM
last weekend at flying legends, another 2 incidents, with the midair collision of the next video as the most painful... http://vimeo.com/26291756
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Post by: Oddball on July 13, 2011, 08:44:01 PM
Was there at Flying Legends when it all happened on the Sunday! :'( saw the Fokker DR1 Replica nose over(got some pics) but just missed seeing the mid-air since I was heading back to where I was staying. As far as I know all the pilots involved where all right.
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Post by: Kilrah on July 13, 2011, 09:03:29 PM
last weekend at flying legends, another 2 incidents, with the midair collision of the next video as the most painful... http://vimeo.com/26291756
OUCH!! How could he just fly into him in such a seemingly controlled trajectory ::unbelieveable::
There was a great loss recently in France with that beautiful B-25: http://gsirius.bookfoto.com/index.php?ac=book&gr=0&id=136064
It used to be based here in Switzerland for a few years, I knew the owners, got to video it a couple of times, went inside on the ground... they unfortunately had to sell it about 2 years ago, and now it's no more :( Fortunately the crew walked away uninjured too.
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Post by: Mike on July 14, 2011, 04:12:46 PM
NO! not the Big Beautiful Doll !! I loved that plane!
:'( :'( :'(
what's going on this year??
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Post by: FlyboyGil on July 17, 2011, 01:01:47 AM
last weekend at flying legends, another 2 incidents, with the midair collision of the next video as the most painful... http://vimeo.com/26291756
OUCH!! How could he just fly into him in such a seemingly controlled trajectory ::unbelieveable::
There was a great loss recently in France with that beautiful B-25: http://gsirius.bookfoto.com/index.php?ac=book&gr=0&id=136064
It used to be based here in Switzerland for a few years, I knew the owners, got to video it a couple of times, went inside on the ground... they unfortunately had to sell it about 2 years ago, and now it's no more :( Fortunately the crew walked away uninjured too.
It's just crazy what's happening. The B-25 doesn't seem to be extreme. The aircraft survived, and at least could be restored for static condition. It's just the loss of the B-17, and the Mustang. Just gives me chills as a Lancaster nut, to think that they're are only 2 flying of roughly 25 left in existence. To keep those oldies going. Kinda worrying. ::sick:: ::sick::
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Post by: FlyboyGil on July 17, 2011, 03:00:06 AM
Also reminds me of the story of the B-29 "KEE BIRD". That was a stupid tragedy!!!
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Post by: vldflight on July 31, 2011, 02:13:29 PM
She may fly again..there are a lot of parts sitting over in the hanger in Douglas. They were from a salvage op in Greenland several years ago. With whats left from the fire and that, they may start seeking financing to rebuild her. Think I'll drive over there next week and stick my nose into it and see whats up. This is the same crew that originally build her to start with I believe.
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Post by: YawningMan on August 12, 2011, 09:57:31 PM
Around 11 airworthy left in the world... from 12700 made...
What really burst my bubble is finding out that metal was in such short supply in WWII they began using a magnesium alloy of aluminum in their airplanes! Knowing that, I'm surprised any are still flying at all!
Someone must really be exceedingly proactive about busting corrosion before it becomes a problem on these old magnesium birds. That, or they've re-skinned them with a much less caustic metal.
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Post by: Jupiter on August 13, 2011, 05:07:10 AM
(...)they began using a magnesium alloy of aluminum in their airplanes! (...)
The stuff is called electron. It was also used a lot in the original of our replica, but we've mostly replaced it by glassfiber for a.o. production reasons :P
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Post by: Lt.Fubar on August 16, 2011, 09:23:07 AM
It wasn't really a problem of lacking "proper" alloys, magnesium ones are very light, and sometimes this is exactly what you need. Take a look at the Sikorsky Ch-34, 1950s medium size helicopter, powered by heavy, radial, piston engine (low power to weight ratio), everything else had to be made as light as possible - so the whole fuselage skin was magnesium alloy. As long as it's not for load bearing parts it's ok. Corrosion is not that much of a deal, unless you want that "bare metal" finish, than it's problematic even with 2024 (or 7055 today). And I'm engineer... I don't trust anything unless it's made out of high-carbon steel ;D
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Post by: Jupiter on August 28, 2011, 03:59:06 PM
http://p.twimg.com/AX8L_PeCAAA-aFJ.jpg:large in this case, it isn't so much the airplane I'm feeling sorry for... Caption was: This is what happens when you fly low over africa...
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Post by: darrenvox on September 03, 2011, 01:58:20 AM
thats sad, and tragic, but there are better things happening to other historic aircraft like this
Wow we are neighbours! I live in Sarnia! I see you volunteer at the JAM. I was there for the first open house.
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Post by: darrenvox on September 03, 2011, 07:08:38 PM
2009? yep i was there too..ive been to every single one of them...
are you coming to the one on the sept 18th weekend
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Post by: FlyboyGil on September 22, 2011, 12:18:55 AM
Well things just keep getting worse!! Not a crash, but an eviction. ::complaining: ::complaining: Freiken Corporations!! They're evicting the Toronto Air and Space Museum out of the historic Hangar that saw the construction of DH Mosquito's, Tiger Moth's, and Beavers to name a few. Why? Cause they're behind on the rent!! So they want the museum evicted and are going to turn it into.... wait for it..... AN ICE RINK!!! ::rambo:: ::rambo:: ::banghead:: ::banghead:: ::complaining: ::complaining: ::complaining: ::complaining: What's wrong with that? Ever try to move an entire disassembled Lancaster Bomber? Heritage and sacrifice of those past, once again fall under the hammer of F*&*ING money Grubbers!!! ::complaining: ::complaining: ::complaining:
http://casmuseum.org/
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Post by: Mike on September 22, 2011, 04:45:07 AM
Man! That sux!
I feel so sad when I see that everything is about money anymore.... All this history our kids could learn from is disappearing and what's left?!!
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Post by: Oddball on September 22, 2011, 03:22:30 PM
Why those money grabbing *****************************s!!!! >:( >:( it could of been a lot worse could of turned it into a housing estate like Hatfield airfield the home of De havilland.
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Post by: FlyboyGil on May 27, 2012, 06:33:49 PM
Ouch!! At least not as bad, but it looks like she'll be down for the season!
