Roost Air Lounge => Aviation related topics => Topic started by: Mike on August 11, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
Title: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Mike on August 11, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
I think the latest news about the Jet Blue flight attentant who popped the slide and took off with beer in hand (do you know that guy, G-Man?) is FUNNY!!
I have to say I am totally with him! I have seen the rudest passengers on some of my latest flights. Nobody respects the flight crew anymore.....
What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Oddball on August 11, 2010, 08:31:27 PM
Heard that when he went up the the passeger either a bag or the lid of the over head bin hit him then he started his rant at the passengers, could that of set him off?
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: G-man on August 11, 2010, 08:46:37 PM
He does have class huh----I guess there is a fund out there for people to donate to his legal fund....
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: 4X-NTY on August 12, 2010, 12:51:15 PM
I'm in for that guy, I wish I could quit my job that way!
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Fabo on August 12, 2010, 02:15:54 PM
The way some passangers can behave.... I can understand this guy totally. Though setting off on a slide might not be the thing to do exactly.
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Stef on August 12, 2010, 02:57:02 PM
This guy is a hero! You can take the whole "the customer is always right" thing a bit too far. I heard that, when after the lady bumped the door of the overhead bin (or was it her luggage?) on his head, he asked for an apology, and she started cussing at him in the worst possible way. ::complaining: ::loony::
I love the story a friend of mine, who also was a flight attendant, told me: When some people got up while the plane was still taxiing to the gate, the pilot made a small "emergency break" and sent those fools tumbling through the aisles! ;D
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Mike on August 13, 2010, 04:31:25 AM
I love the story a friend of mine, who also was a flight attendant, told me: When some people got up while the plane was still taxiing to the gate, the pilot made a small "emergency break" and sent those fools tumbling through the aisles! ;D
Nice!
That pilot is a hero too.
I just don't get why people can't abide by the rules. The FA didn't make the rules, why give him a hard time and hit him with luggage. Those people need to be banned from flying.
I was at the movies the other day and the girl told a guy he couldn't bring his drink in from the outside. Man! You should have heard that guy and how he let lose on the poor girl. Maybe not a great rules that you can't bring stuff inside a theater, but again, not her rules.....
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Ragwing on August 14, 2010, 11:49:21 PM
We hire these flight attendants to be professionals. I take my hat off to all of them for putting up with an airplane full of children.
I can understand taking a lot and blowing up at the passengers. Where he lost me was the theft(beer) and destruction of aircraft equipment (slide).
As to the woman, why has she not been charged with assaulting an aircrew? Where is TSA when you need them?
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: cotejy on August 15, 2010, 06:46:26 AM
I have flown in commercial flights too many times. I saw passengers acting stupid but only once I saw a passenger dangerous behavior. She tried to open the airplane door at crusing altitude because she had to pee and the toilet was occupied. Boy I would have liked to see her sucked out of the airplane. Thanks for the pressurised cabin, she wasn't able to open it.
But the flight attendant dealed with the situation. It was her duty. She took care of it. They are underpaied. we look at them like sky waitress but they are taking care of dangerous live stock cargo.
I would not do their job. Eat tons of shit from pax all day long and having the responsability to make sure they are happy, comfortable and alive at destination. But I will never ever accept a flight attendant loosing control like this guy did. There might be is a limit of how many stupidity you can handle but don't freak out in front of passengers. I worked with clients for 20 years and it's always the same. You try to please them, some will recognise your work. Those who don't, have cigarette break, talk about them at 5-7 beer party, ...
If I would have see a flight attendant acting like this one, I would never flight with this company again.
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Mike on August 15, 2010, 05:28:19 PM
He may have not gone exactly the right way about this, I can see what you guys are saying, but:
Where are the Feds in all this? What is TSA saying? I thought not following the flight crews orders is a Federal offence just like it is tampering with the smoke detectors? How come the passenger hasn't been held responsible or charged with assault?
To me this looks an awful lot like one of those cases where tha cops shoot a kid and everybody gets all up in arms about how bad the cops are, especially if the kid was of a certain ethnicity. And at the same time everybody forgets that the kid just robbed a store and shot the clerk.
And also: How did he get all the way to his car without anybodt stopping him? I see a little flaw in airport security as well. That's why I also liked the Barefoot Bandit in a way because he brought up some major security issues about our airports. And what about the underwear bomber?
In all of these cases, the TSA has failed us. But they did make me feel safer by taking my toothpaste which was in a container (3 squeezes left but none the less) of more than 3oz. One of our posters "Fabo" actually just mentioned something to that matter in the "Funny Aviation Videos" section. I really liked his comment.
Back to the FA. He didn't really endanger anybody by doing what he was doing. The aircraft was safely on the ground. He made a major point that brought up a lot of issues. Maybe that's what it takes sometimes. The airline will deal with the "theft" and popping the slide I am sure. And of course, being who I am and what I do here, I love the comical aspect of the whole incident ;)
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Oddball on August 15, 2010, 06:31:55 PM
I'm on the FA's side all he was doing was his job and he gets assaulted and then thrown in jail.......ok he did steal a can of beer and a slide but charges MUST be brought on the passenger who started it all.
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Mike on August 16, 2010, 12:32:23 AM
actually, we don't even know if he "stole" the beer . . .
maybe JetBlue crews get to have one at the end of their hitch.... ;) ;D
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Fabo on August 16, 2010, 01:52:51 PM
Well, the fact that he "stole" the beer was the least part of my disapproval... Launching the slide is more of a big deal, at least for me.
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: sts987 on September 03, 2010, 12:56:12 AM
I'm on the FA's side! I love the story but I probably would have just contacted TSA and told them the unruly passenger seemed suspicious and might have some sort of "terrorist" involvement ::rambo:: and left it at that...... ::rofl:: -Alex
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Oddball on September 03, 2010, 12:57:12 PM
Has any one heard any more about this? the news over here only tells you some thing happened but thats it.
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Mike on September 03, 2010, 03:38:44 PM
Has any one heard any more about this? the news over here only tells you some thing happened but thats it.
good point
I wonder i he's still working for Jet Blue. Did anybody check out his fb page? I wonder if he's updating it.....
Title: Lets keep things in perspective: David C Dolby
Post by: Rooster Cruiser on September 04, 2010, 05:20:17 AM
In case you didn't notice (I certainly didn't!) America lost one of its true Heros at about the same time this little spat occured. I received this email a couple days ago, and I now submit it to the forum to digest and think about what should be noted by our mass media but isn't. - RC
Last Friday, August 6, David C. Dolby passed away suddenly in Spirit Lake, Idaho at the age of 64. Childless, Mr. Dolby had lived in virtual seclusion in the town of Barto, PA since the passing of his wife in 1997. Barto is so small and insignificant the Rand McNally Atlas doesn’t even list it in its appendix. Mr. Dolby’s passing went so unnoticed that even his hometown paper didn’t acknowledge it. His passing was announced by an organization to which he belonged. Evidently most felt Mr. Dolby’s death didn’t merit any notice at all and almost nobody gave it a thought. He apparently hadn’t done anything in his life to merit any special attention.
Three days later, on Monday, August 9, Steven Slater, a childish, immature loser who up until that day had pretty much gone as unnoticed as David Dolby, threw a temper tantrum on a Jet Blue airplane at John F. Kennedy airport because his personal pet peeve is luggage that shifts during flight (or maybe it was tray tables not being in their upright and locked position). Since acting like a spoiled 16 year old, he has been featured on every major news network in the country, his face is on the front page of numerous national publications, Facebook pages have been established to “honor” him, and Mr. Slater has been called a “hero” by people we are supposed to believe know what that term means. Only in today’s America, Mr. Slater will, in all likelihood, stretch his 15 minutes of infamy into 30 and end up making an obscene amount of money from, and revered by, some folks in our great nation who believe that Mr. Slater’s parents actually DIDN”T pollute the gene pool. He will be interviewed by Today, the Early Show, Good Morning America. He’ll appear on Leno, Conan, Letterman. He’ll become what we in America these days view as “somebody”. He’ll be given praise he doesn’t deserve and labels he never earned. He apparently has done something that merits special attention.
In the meantime, later this week a funeral service will be held at Arlington National Cemetery. There won’t be any press there and likely only a handful of mourners who had the privilege to know David Dolby. And there will probably be a few guys there that are fellow members of the organization that announced his passing: the Congressional Medal of Honor Society.
David Charles Dolby May 14, 1946(1946-05-14) – August 6, 2010 (aged 64)
Most recent photo of David Dolby Nickname Mad Dog Place of birth Norristown, Pennsylvania Place of death Spirit Lake, Idaho Allegiance United States of America Service/branch United States Army Rank Sergeant Unit 8th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division Battles/wars Vietnam War Awards Medal of Honor
David Charles Dolby (May 14, 1946 – August 6, 2010) was a United States Army soldier who received the U.S. military's highest decoration, the Medal of Honor, for his actions in the Vietnam War. Dolby was born on May 14, 1946, in Norristown, Pennsylvania.[1] His father, Charles L. Dolby, was a personnel manager for B.F. Goodrich Company in Oaks, Pennsylvania. He had a younger brother, Daniel.[2] Dolby joined the Army from Philadelphia and by May 21, 1966, was serving in the Republic of Vietnam as a specialist four with Company B, 1st Battalion (Airborne), 8th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division (Airmobile). On that day, his platoon came under heavy fire which killed six soldiers and wounded a number of others, including the platoon leader. Throughout the ensuing four-hour battle, Dolby led his platoon in its defense, organized the extraction of the wounded, and directed artillery fire despite close-range attacks from enemy snipers and automatic weapons. He single-handedly attacked the hostile positions and silenced three machine guns, allowing a friendly force to execute a flank attack.[1] Dolby was subsequently promoted to sergeant and awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions during the battle.[1] The medal was formally presented to him by President Lyndon B. Johnson on September 28, 1967.[3] In addition to the 1965–66 tour in which he earned the Medal of Honor, Dolby was deployed four more times to Vietnam. In 1967 he served there with the 101st Airborne Division, in 1969 with the 75th Ranger Regiment, 173rd Airborne Brigade, in 1970 as an advisor to the Vietnamese Rangers, and in 1971 as an advisor to the Royal Cambodian Army.[4] Dolby married but had no children. After his wife Xuan's death around 1987, he lived quietly in southeastern Pennsylvania. Over the last 20 years, Dolby attended many veterans events around the U.S. and once opened the New York Stock Exchange on Veterans Day. He most recently worked to bring attention to the neglected Medal of Honor Grove at the Freedoms Foundation in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Dolby died at age 64 on the morning of August 6, 2010, while visiting Spirit Lake, Idaho, for a veterans' gathering. The cause of death has not been announced, and funeral arrangements at Arlington National Cemetery are pending.[5] Medal of Honor citation Dolby's official citation reads: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of life above and beyond the call of duty, when his platoon, while advancing tactically, suddenly came under intense fire from the enemy located on a ridge immediately to the front. Six members of the platoon were killed instantly and a number were wounded, including the platoon leader. Sgt. Dolby's every move brought fire from the enemy. However, aware that the platoon leader was critically wounded, and that the platoon was in a precarious situation, Sgt. Dolby moved the wounded men to safety and deployed the remainder of the platoon to engage the enemy. Subsequently, his dying platoon leader ordered Sgt. Dolby to withdraw the forward elements to rejoin the platoon. Despite the continuing intense enemy fire and with utter disregard for his own safety, Sgt. Dolby positioned able-bodied men to cover the withdrawal of the forward elements, assisted the wounded to the new position, and he, alone, attacked enemy positions until his ammunition was expended. Replenishing his ammunition, he returned to the area of most intense action, single-handedly killed 3 enemy machine gunners and neutralized the enemy fire, thus enabling friendly elements on the flank to advance on the enemy redoubt. He defied the enemy fire to personally carry a seriously wounded soldier to safety where he could be treated and, returning to the forward area, he crawled through withering fire to within 50 meters of the enemy bunkers and threw smoke grenades to mark them for air strikes. Although repeatedly under fire at close range from enemy snipers and automatic weapons, Sgt. Dolby directed artillery fire on the enemy and succeeded in silencing several enemy weapons. He remained in his exposed location until his comrades had displaced to more secure positions. His actions of unsurpassed valor during 4 hours of intense combat were a source of inspiration to his entire company, contributed significantly to the success of the overall assault on the enemy position, and were directly responsible for saving the lives of a number of his fellow soldiers. Sgt. Dolby's heroism was in the highest tradition of the U.S. Army
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Mike on September 04, 2010, 03:46:24 PM
Wow, that certainly does put it in perspective. Kinda shows what our society has become..... Sad.
Now I feel bad for even starting the thread..... :-\
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Ragwing on September 06, 2010, 03:13:19 PM
From September 6 AVWEB: http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1719-full.html#203238 (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1719-full.html#203238)
JetBlue Lets Slater Slide Away
Steven Slater has made his final exit from JetBlue. The airline confirmed Saturday that Slater, the allegedly frustrated flight attendant who popped the emergency slide on an E190, grabbed two beers from the galley and abandoned the aircraft at JFK last month, is no longer with the airline. Slater achieved Internet folk hero status after his dramatic departure, allegedly triggered by an altercation with a female passenger who ignored instructions to remain seated until the plane was chocked. Slater later said he'd been bonked in the head by the passenger's carry-on as she, against his instructions, pulled it from the overhead. Slater was later quoted as saying he wanted his job back but the airline deflated that dream with a brief statement.
Since the incident, other passengers have cast doubt on Slater's story, including those who have said Slater's head was gashed before the flight and that he was rude to them. Oddly enough, we don't seem to have heard at all from the woman who was allegedly involved in the altercation and presumably had a front-row (or aisle) vantage point for what followed. We likely will hear from her eventually, however, as Slater still faces charges of criminal mischief, reckless endangerment and trespassing and she will undoubtedly be a witness.
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Oleburdturd on September 09, 2010, 04:25:15 AM
Let's not miss the point here, the guy just got burned out telling morons to remain on their asses until the damn airplane stopped. We've all seen these self important dickheads slugging down the aisle with HUGE bags for the overhead, knowing the rules DON'T APPLY TO THEM !!
CRAP, they oughta give the guy a trophy for trying to teach an idiot some common sense!
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Ragwing on October 20, 2010, 03:55:43 AM
JetBlue flight attendant in meltdown pleads guilty
By COLLEEN LONG ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER (http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/aponline/15248.88Flight-Attendant-Arrest.sff.jpg)
NEW YORK -- The flight attendant whose job-quitting meltdown landed him in court pleaded guilty to attempted criminal mischief on Tuesday and will undergo at least a year of counseling and substance-abuse treatment.
"At the end of the day, I'm a grown-up and I must take responsibility for my actions," Steven Slater said outside a New York City court. He thanked his attorney, prosecutors, his mother and his partner, and said the public interest in his case had surprised him.
Slater pleaded guilty to second-degree attempted criminal mischief, a felony, before mental health court Judge Patricia Hirsch. He also pleaded guilty to fourth-degree attempted criminal mischief, a misdemeanor.
He will undergo at least a year of counseling and treatment under the plea deal.
If he completes the program to the judge's satisfaction, the top charge will dismissed and only the misdemeanor will remain. If he does not complete it, he will get one to three years in jail.
Slater's escape occurred Aug. 9 aboard a JetBlue Airways Corp. flight from Pittsburgh that had just landed at Kennedy International Airport. Slater got on the loudspeaker, cursed at passengers, then slid down the plane's emergency chute with a beer.
His unusual departure made him a cult hero to some.
He was a topic on TV shows, on the front pages of newspapers and hundreds of thousands of fans online cheered him for standing up to the inhospitable world of airline travel and quitting his job so spectacularly.
His fame has waned, but it's not gone: In a homage to Slater this Halloween, several retailers are selling their own versions of the disgruntled airline employee or the angry steward.
"It's a blue steward shirt with a light blue tie and it comes with a Band-Aid for your forehead," Todd Kenig, chairman of Ricky's NYC, told the AP last week.
Slater remains unemployed after resigning from JetBlue. He worked there about three years, though he had spent nearly 20 in the airline industry.
JetBlue suspended Slater and told employees in a memo that press coverage was not taking into account how much harm can be caused by emergency slides, which are deployed with a potentially deadly amount of force.
District Attorney Richard Brown scolded Slater - and the public - for not taking his actions more seriously, noting it cost $25,000 to fix the slide and that the plane had to be taken out of service afterward, causing flight delays.
Slater's attorney, Daniel J. Horwitz, said his client took the matter very seriously. He said Slater had been under tremendous pressure because of his terminally ill mother, recently deceased father, and health problems of his own, adding that his client is HIV positive.
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Mike on October 20, 2010, 05:14:23 AM
well, he's taking responsibilities for his own actions, something you don't see much anymore....
...but I cannot help but think that 40 years ago this would have just been a funny story - the end. ....no big deal - a good laugh - one hell of a crazy guy . . . . . . . before the attorneys, laws, and banks took over this country..... :-X
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Ragwing on October 20, 2010, 11:22:33 AM
well, he's taking responsibilities for his own actions, something you don't see much anymore....
...but I cannot help but think that 40 years ago this would have just been a funny story - the end. ....no big deal - a good laugh - one hell of a crazy guy . . . . . . . before the attorneys, laws, and banks took over this country..... :-X
The legal system has completely turned our society upside down.
Where is the passenger who started this whole mess? The passengers have extorted compensation from Jet Blue. They have the flight attendant who they can blame.
They can all play the injured party who needs compensation.
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Oddball on October 20, 2010, 12:11:02 PM
so that means the passenger who allegedly started this is not being charged and is being treated as a victim?
Title: Re: Jet-Blue flight attentant - Who's side are you on?
Post by: Mike on October 20, 2010, 04:14:58 PM
so that means the passenger who allegedly started this is not being charged and is being treated as a victim?
probably.... that's the way it usually runs in this country. You can break in a house here, and then sue the homeowner for shooting you in the knee.....
Jet Blue having to pay compensations is another thing that reall bugs me. Everybody is always going for the deepest pockets, not the party who actually caused the whole thing. Jet Blue was completely innocent in the whole thing, other than hiring this guy but how could they have known.....
