Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: Darrell Mims on January 21, 2010, 05:19:44 PM
:D (top gun) Ride in to the Danger Zone............
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: Darrell Mims on January 21, 2010, 05:20:37 PM
::rambo:: Goose you see Viper !!!
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: spacer on January 21, 2010, 09:08:49 PM
Yeah, so long as he doesn't try to emulate the Cessna flight near the beginning of the movie. Woot!
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: YawningMan on January 22, 2010, 02:01:41 AM
I must be the only aviation enthusiast in the world who can't stand Top Gun.
With movies like Empire of the Sun and Always I think I'm doing well enough without Top Gun.
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: Frank N. O. on January 22, 2010, 04:44:28 AM
As I wrote a few weeks ago when I saw this strip at Trade-A-Plane, then the Cessna sequence is the only good thing in the movie for me, except maybe also the music. Was it Art Scholl who flew the Aerobat? I think I read it somewhere but now I can't find it.
YawningMan: There's a guy that made some fantastic MS FSX movies, he states he's totally allergic to any song that was on the Top Gun soundtrack, that comes close right? That being said then don't you at least like the footage of the F-14's? That the flying broke rule after rule, and might've been a bit unrealistic (Goose hitting the canopy despite the high seatback) that's another matter. What about Chevalier du Ciel (actually based on a classic european comic), it's been called the Top Gun movie for the 21st century, and I think it fits. There are a few unrealistic things here too and the Mirage 2000C might not be quite as "powerful" to look at as the Tomcat but the flying footage they did makes Top Gun look like a cheap B-movie from the 60s.
Btw, you mentioned Always, I haven't seen it in years so I wasn't sure how much flying there was, but since you mention it I take it that it's got some good scenes in it? I also like the actors who are in it so maybe I should see if I can't find it on DVD, it seems like an overlooked movie so it's probably very possible to find it at a low price.
Frank
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: Oddball on January 22, 2010, 08:18:47 AM
Iron Eagle? nah I'll stick to Battle of Brittain thank you very much lots of Spitfires, Hurricanes and pretend "Heinkels" and "Messerschmits" ;D
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: Mike on January 22, 2010, 07:39:30 PM
What's funny about TOP GUN is that when you go to an aviation human factors class or a error management class (CRM, SMS, the list is long), "Maveric" actually stands out as the perfect bad example. All the "Dangerous Attitudes" which most of you (hopefully) are familiar with, have "Maverick"written all over it. He basically does everything aviation frowns upon.
I bet there were a few really disappointed guys who started flying after watching how "cool" Maverick was! HA HA!! ::rofl:: ::rofl::
Hazardous Attitude Antidote
Anti-Authority: "Don't tell me." "Follow the rules. They are usually right."
Impulsivity: "Do something - quickly." "Not so fast. Think first."
Invulnerability: "It won't happen to me." "It could happen to me."
Macho: "I can do it." "Taking chances is dumb."
Deference: "What's the use." "I'm not helpless. I can make a difference."
Still like Top Gun though! It's a classic I grew up with!!
"I feel the need . . . the need for speed!" ;)
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: Rooster Cruiser on January 22, 2010, 10:32:48 PM
"Always" is still my favorite all time movie. You may have a tough time finding it Frank, but its well worth the effort!
RC
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: Frank N. O. on January 23, 2010, 07:36:38 AM
Actually, I see a nordic DVD version of Always was just released on DVD just 3 months ago so that'll be easy, and it's half price of a new DVD release too (99 DKK = 11.66 GBP = 18.79 USD). I see a Battle of Britain 2-disc DVD release also, and for the same price but not sure if it's the one Oddy mentions. Speaking of aviation movies, I remember watching a tv-series when I was a kid, around the mid-80s, about a WWI flying squadron, any idea of what series it was? I remember the final scene of the series too if that can help. Edit: Maybe it could've been the BBC drama-series called Wings, made in 1976-1977 but I haven't been able to find a picture or clip anywhere.
Mike: Didn't the US Navy place recruitment centers at large cinemas and actually got a big amount of new recruit around the time of the movie?
Frank
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: 4X-NTY on January 23, 2010, 11:13:13 AM
Actually, I see a nordic DVD version of Always was just released on DVD just 3 months ago so that'll be easy, and it's half price of a new DVD release too (99 DKK = 11.66 GBP = 18.79 USD). I see a Battle of Britain 2-disc DVD release also, and for the same price but not sure if it's the one Oddy mentions. Speaking of aviation movies, I remember watching a tv-series when I was a kid, around the mid-80s, about a WWI flying squadron, any idea of what series it was? I remember the final scene of the series too if that can help. Edit: Maybe it could've been the BBC drama-series called Wings, made in 1976-1977 but I haven't been able to find a picture or clip anywhere.
Mike: Didn't the US Navy place recruitment centers at large cinemas and actually got a big amount of new recruit around the time of the movie?
Frank
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0155387/ Is this helpful?
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: Oddball on January 23, 2010, 12:48:58 PM
There is only THE one film called Battle of Britain Frank if its the speacial two disk DVD it should be in a white cover?
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: Frank N. O. on January 23, 2010, 04:56:00 PM
4X: The characters and description on imdb does seem familiar and since there doesn't appear to be any other WWI tv-series when using their search engine then it must be it.
Oddy: 1967, just over 2 hours long starring Christopher Plummer, Laurence Olivier, Michael Caine and several other notable names, directed by Guy Hamilton? And thanks for the link to the video of the EMT finish :)
Frank
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: Oddball on January 23, 2010, 05:37:46 PM
Yep that the one Frank
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: YawningMan on January 25, 2010, 10:49:02 PM
YawningMan: There's a guy that made some fantastic MS FSX movies, he states he's totally allergic to any song that was on the Top Gun soundtrack, that comes close right? That being said then don't you at least like the footage of the F-14's? That the flying broke rule after rule, and might've been a bit unrealistic (Goose hitting the canopy despite the high seatback) that's another matter. What about Chevalier du Ciel (actually based on a classic european comic), it's been called the Top Gun movie for the 21st century, and I think it fits.
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Btw, you mentioned Always, I haven't seen it in years so I wasn't sure how much flying there was, but since you mention it I take it that it's got some good scenes in it? I also like the actors who are in it so maybe I should see if I can't find it on DVD, it seems like an overlooked movie so it's probably very possible to find it at a low price.
Frank
I feel the same way as that guy you mentioned. I think Top Gun songs have ruined too many flying videos on YouTube. If I want to see F-14s on film, I'll pop in The Final Countdown. They basically show every other airplane in the fleet at that time as well as some of the ship fleet during that movie. I haven't seen Chevalier du Ciel. I suspect I've seen clips from it on Metacafe, though. I think it might have been called Jet Fighter for English-speaking audiences.
*** SPOILER ***
Always was pretty good, but there's this one scene of an A-26 just before it gets ditched in the drink that makes the whole movie about ten times better just because it's in there. That one scene is melancholy and magical at the same time.
*** END SPOILER ***
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: spacer on January 26, 2010, 05:24:32 PM
We had a discussion in an aviation safety class about this, and as I'm wont to do, we took it a little further than the FAA intended. Solely to illustrate a point, as I've seen where the original attitudes do have a negative effect on safety, I also noted that going too far with the 'antidotal' side could be hazardous as well... In the end, it's our responsibility, and up to us as individuals to know when sticking single-mindedly to the rules is more dangerous than using the grey matter more creatively.
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Hazardous Attitude Antidote
Anti-Authority: "Don't tell me." "Follow the rules. They are usually right." **or, never think outside the box. FAA regs have EVERYTHING covered**
Impulsivity: "Do something - quickly." "Not so fast. Think first." **Ok... that's enough woolgathering, DOWN STICK!!!**
Invulnerability: "It won't happen to me." "It could happen to me." **It's gonna happen to me... I'm staying in bed!!!**
Macho: "I can do it." "Taking chances is dumb." **Orville, maybe all those people are right, we're crazy for trying to fly**
Deference: "What's the use." "I'm not helpless. I can make a difference." **Actually, this one can be left alone, except for the occasional self-styled "expert"**
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: Mike on January 26, 2010, 05:55:01 PM
HA HA! Nice! ::rofl::
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: Jean Loup on January 26, 2010, 07:56:05 PM
Iron Eagle? nah I'll stick to Battle of Brittain thank you very much lots of Spitfires, Hurricanes and pretend "Heinkels" and "Messerschmits" ;D
Heinkels and Messerschmits were spanish made by CASA, with RollsRoyce engines...(Germany was not producing BMW, Mercedes aircraft engines nor anything else, because we lost the war...only VW's weere being produced)...so they look British in their engine configuration! But the flying is good, vell worth seeing the movie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNVVoH9-QH0 starts with a flying 'Tante Ju', my godmother of flight:
my family was living in Pamplona in Jan 1950, when a medical error burned my whole digestive tract. In emergency, uncle Otto Skortzeny suplied a special flight in a 'Tante Ju' from Iberia, flying from Pamplona to Barajas airport at Madrid. No cabin presurisation, that tin goose was unable to fly higher than the nearby mountain tops...the music of three radials at full throtle, barely taking off that Ju-52/3m before the grass strip ended, hooked me into flight...this other video very much replicates what I felt that day...except it was impossible to hear any orquestra (anything at all, for that matter) in a flying 'Tante Ju! But flying among the Navarra mountains in the winter was similar... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XKGhG0W0LQ
I have flown as a passenger in a Messerschmit Bf-108 Taifun, camouflaged as a Me-109 for movies (the Geat Escape, 1963, with Steeve McQueen) an aircraft belonging to the Confederate Air Force in 1989, at the opening of Cuernavaca airport. I was part of the Skydive team, as reserve if anyone got sick. The 108 was a joy to hold the controls, (except an odd electric propeller pich control) all reports of the 109 being so difficult to handle does not aply to the 108...very stable and responsive! Landing was tricky, as with all tail dragers...There, flying later in a B-17, I went to the tail gun position...NOT FOR CLAUSTROFOBICS!!!
The ZERO's were fake...converted Texans! With good flying caracteristics, too. Never again have I been part of another air show...worth a whole life time!
Title: Re: Iron Eagle
Post by: piet03 on January 27, 2010, 05:09:14 PM
All of those have some good fly shots, but one of the best was Winged Devils. Or in Italian "Forza "G" It's a cheesy love story concerning a pilot Who always wanted to fly with the Frecce Tricolori. (Italian Air force Aerobatic team) Like I said cheesy love story. Fantastic flying. Some of it is on Youtube.
