Roost Air Lounge => Aviation related topics => Topic started by: Morpheus on August 12, 2008, 06:46:48 AM
Title: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: Morpheus on August 12, 2008, 06:46:48 AM
Check out this recent article from the Dubai Chronicle: http://www.dubaichronicle.com/?p=735#more-735 (http://www.dubaichronicle.com/?p=735#more-735)
Do you think it’ll fly?
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: Frank N. O. on August 13, 2008, 09:21:53 PM
Hi there Morpheus, hmm that's interesting however I'm not sure the FAA will approve that, but a personal cabin sounds interesting, and the sketches does look really cool in a futuristic way, I'm kind-of thinking The Fifth Element meets Star Trek here. Being able to lie down without bothering the person behind you also sounds like a good idea.
Frank
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: chuckar101 on August 13, 2008, 09:34:02 PM
I agreewith you frank.It will take awhile for the faa to approve it and its still a concept will it actually be cheaper in the long run.
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: Morpheus on August 13, 2008, 10:03:58 PM
That's a very good point, guys; I think that is the biggest challenge this concept will face.
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: Mitchell99 on August 14, 2008, 06:26:34 PM
Imagine structural strength that would have to support the upper deck in the event of a crash. By adding that amount of strength your going to have to add a significant amount of weight. Not good to have the upper deck collapse on the people sitting in the lower deck ::banghead:: Yes.... I know there are lighter weight materials but those would only increase the $$$$$$ ::thinking:: It's a great concept but I would be surprised if we ever see it for real.
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: 4X-NTY on August 15, 2008, 12:48:23 PM
Oh... all the problems this design got,first of all,as it been said before, they'll need something to support it,in the sketch there's about,i dont know,an inch or two thick,not many materials would stand the weight of those two chairs and to people,and those who would woudn't stand a hard landing,not talking about crash. The stairs looks horrible,many people gonna fall from them,they don't seem so stable, unless they go into the wall for about 50cm,if not they're gonna bend down really fast. What's that thing up there? But i like how it looks,as frank said,very fifth element (on of the greatest movies).
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: Morpheus on August 16, 2008, 01:27:35 AM
Imagine structural strength that would have to support the upper deck in the event of a crash. By adding that amount of strength your going to have to add a significant amount of weight.
I see it from a different perspective. This concept changes several components inside the passenger cabin. If one looks closely at the images from the article, there are no overhead luggage compartments; the luggage compartments are inside the modules. In that location, the compartments can be anchored and fastened at additional points. Conventional baggage compartments are anchored at only one side, and literally hang from the ceiling; this means their structure must be far more reinforced and, thus, heavy. Another element that is missing in the images—because there is no need for it using this design—is the passenger cabin’s ceiling structure; an element that also adds weight.
Also, just like the luggage compartments inside the modules, the modules themselves can be anchored and fastened at more points than conventional seats, which are anchored at just one heavily reinforced point.
Not good to have the upper deck collapse on the people sitting in the lower deck ::banghead:: Yes.... I know there are lighter weight materials but those would only increase the $$$$$$ ::thinking:: It's a great concept but I would be surprised if we ever see it for real.
In my opinion, the entire structure formed by all the modules together can work as a kind of skeleton, reinforcing the airplane from the inside; so, far from posing a hazard for passengers, I think it could actually help protect them in the event of a survivable crash. ::thinking::
What do you guys think? ???
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: Morpheus on August 16, 2008, 01:32:57 AM
But i like how i looks,as frank said,very fifth element (on of the greatest movies).
Can't argue with that! ;D
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: 4X-NTY on August 16, 2008, 03:19:06 AM
that thing,the one circled with red. by the way,i just noticed that that stairs are just connected to the tube or something like that,boy,if it were real and just like that, if nobody would fall,I'm buying everyone on the forum his favourite drink,twice.
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: Morpheus on August 16, 2008, 04:28:40 AM
by the way,i just noticed that that stairs are just connected to the tube or something like that,boy,if it were real and just like that, if nobody would fall,I'm buying everyone on the forum his favourite drink,twice.
Actually, I think the best thing—from an engineering point of view—would be for the stairs to be integrated to the luggage bin; that way, they would have more support points.
I agree with you—if they were real, and just like that, you would have to buy all those drinks! ::knockedout::
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: FlyboyGil on August 16, 2008, 11:35:00 AM
if it were real and just like that, if nobody would fall,I'm buying everyone on the forum his favourite drink,twice.
What about the strippers? ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: Oddball on August 16, 2008, 05:27:40 PM
some how i dont think strippers are a strong enough material to make that cabin gill ::thinking:: but trust you to remember the imprtant things.
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: tundra_flier on August 19, 2008, 09:21:44 PM
Why do I see the airlines using this to double the number of non-reclining seats instead? ::banghead:: considering how the airline industry seems to be struggling lately, I just can't see them doing anything that might reduce the number of passengers per flight. And very few people would be willing to pay much extra for this.
Phil ::cowboy::
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: Morpheus on August 19, 2008, 09:47:15 PM
Why do I see the airlines using this to double the number of non-reclining seats instead? ::banghead::
Now that would be wicked! >:D But I don’t think they would be able to do that; if you analyze the design closely, you'll see that the system simply wouldn't allow non-reclining seats—the modules would have to be too tall. ::thinking::
I just can't see them doing anything that might reduce the number of passengers per flight.
A quote from the article: "...the system’s designers affirm that, having taken into account the precise dimensions of an actual Airbus A380 cabin, several abh layouts for three-class arrangements have been attained already that can accommodate as many as 580 passengers - hat’s 25 more seats than the standard 555 seat configuration for a three-class arrangement in an A380."
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: chuckar101 on August 20, 2008, 02:28:32 AM
Problem is that is and A380. Its already bigger and most of the set ups have the regular seats having a lot more ammenities then a conventional airliner set up. But if that is true great, I just doubt it would be economical for a smaller aircraft. But I'm no engineer and only really care about the seats in the front.
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: Morpheus on August 20, 2008, 09:39:45 AM
Problem is that is and A380. … I just doubt it would be economical for a smaller aircraft.
I think that’s actually more of an advantage. Wide-bodies, like the A380, are the planes that travel the longest routes, which is precisely where more comfort is needed.
Problem is that is and A380. … I just doubt it would be economical for a smaller aircraft.
I think that’s actually more of an advantage. Wide-bodies, like the A380, are the planes that travel the longest routes, which is precisely where more comfort is needed.
I can't believe three people have voted for the blue pill...
I guess that, if there was a third choice with a seat made of nails, it would be the winner ::loony::
let's say the airlines have done such thing, i prefer sleeping then one of the next things happens: 1.falling of that ladder,break my neck. 2.surviving the ladder,fall of with the whole thing down at the guy sleeping under me. 3.hearing that screaming guy that fell of the ladder and broke his neck. 4.getting killed by the the guy above me.
and the nails seat not such a bad idea, think about the weight of it! :P
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: Morpheus on August 22, 2008, 08:27:36 PM
let's say the airlines have done such thing, i prefer sleeping then one of the next things happens: 1.falling of that ladder,break my neck. 2.surviving the ladder,fall of with the whole thing down at the guy sleeping under me. 3.hearing that screaming guy that fell of the ladder and broke his neck. 4.getting killed by the the guy above me.
and the nails seat not such a bad idea, think about the weight of it! :P
Okay. ::banghead::
In conventional cabin layouts, passengers have the luggage bins right on top of their heads; those bins are literally hanging from the cabin ceiling, full of heavy baggage. Now, I don’t hear of many incidents in which a luggage bin—or luggage, for that matter—fell on top of someone’s head, breaking their neck. ::knockedout::
There’s something called engineering, that keeps bridges from falling down or tunnels from caving in; however, it’s not a flawless art and, sometimes, things do go wrong. ::unbelieveable::
Just one question: How have you managed to avoid ladders all your life? ???
You have to let it all go—fear, doubt and disbelief. Free your mind.
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: 4X-NTY on August 22, 2008, 09:41:49 PM
Don't take me as an engineer, i have nothing to do with engineering or physics,i never learned any of these or something related, I'm only thinking with my logic,which can be flawed (and that's wouldn't surprise anyone),but as i see it,the luggage is spread enough to have less pressure, and I'm pretty sure there are some enforcement within the "floor" of it.
As for the ladder,just look at it,the regular home-ladder "shelves" are connected in TWO points,have a special form to less the bending,while the one in the sketch have only ONE connection,which looks like could be rotated with enough force,and if it's not made with a hard material and have some enforcement below it, it's gonna bend down and break after a while.
Woo! no spell check needed!
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: Morpheus on August 22, 2008, 10:18:52 PM
Don't take me as an engineer, i have nothing to do with engineering or physics,i never learned any of these or something related, I'm only thinking with my logic,which can be flawed (and that's wouldn't surprise anyone),but as i see it,the luggage is spread enough to have less pressure, and I'm pretty sure there are some enforcement within the "floor" of it.
As for the ladder,just look at it,the regular home-ladder "shelves" are connected in TWO points,have a special form to less the bending,while the one in the sketch have only ONE connection,which looks like could be rotated with enough force,and if it's not made with a hard material and have some enforcement below it, it's gonna bend down and break after a while.
Woo! no spell check needed!
As you rightly point out, my friend, it's a SKETCH; i.e. not the real thing. In my opinion, the best way to solve this would be for the stairs to be integrated to the luggage bin, as well as the module's structure; that way, they would have more support points. ::thinking::
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: Paradox on August 24, 2008, 12:20:33 AM
Hey didn't that already exist in the fifties. I could swear the early airlines offered sleeper accomidations.
Title: Re: New Sleeper Cabin Concept Unveiled
Post by: Morpheus on August 24, 2008, 05:29:46 AM
Hey didn't that already exist in the fifties. I could swear the early airlines offered sleeper accomidations.
Yes, and even earlier than the fifties. The idea of adding tiers in a passenger cabin dates back to the 1930s; the DC-3 actually began as a sleeper plane named the Douglas Sleeper Transport (DST). The DST was popular among long-haul air travelers; but, it was ultimately canceled because passenger capacity decreased significantly. While a DST could carry 14 to 16 passengers, a DC-3—the DST’s regular seating counterpart—had a standard capacity of between 21 and 28 passengers, with a maximum capacity of 32 passengers.
