Roost Air Lounge => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mike on March 13, 2006, 01:29:49 AM
Title: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Mike on March 13, 2006, 01:29:49 AM
TOP GUN . . . .
. . . it needs to be discussed.
How many times have you seen it? Did you like it? Are you in aviation because of the movie? Can you recite every scene from the movie? Is "Top Gun" for aviators what "Backdraft" is for firefighters and "Star Wars" for everybody else?
Let's hear some opinions and stories!!
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 13, 2006, 02:49:52 AM
I've probably seen it a couple dozen times, and I would say that it influenced me more before I was a pilot than after. It's a great movie, but you do pick up the little things they get wrong. Btw, I guess Backdraft is extremely inaccurate. :) I know of a couple of firefighters that don't like it.
Favorite lines: "Kick the tires and light the fires!" "I feel the need....The need for speed! OW!" "You never close your eyes anymore when I kiss...your liiiips"
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Post by: Turbomallard on March 13, 2006, 04:50:43 AM
I have no idea how many times I've seen it. A couple of times in the theater, I think. Bought it on video when it first came out... the film pioneered the affordable cost/release not too long after the theatrical run video release practice, as I recall. Bought the widescreen tape a few years ago... will probably buy the DVD, too. Sigh.
The film is idiotic. Less realistic than a Saturday morning cartoon. Makes Star Wars look intellectual by comparison. But... somehow it manages to walk that very fine line between utterly bad and rip-roaring turn-off-your-brain and rock and roll fantasy, and does so brilliantly. Many of the imitators didn't, and look pitiful by comparison.
Last fall I dated a woman who served on the carrier Lexington back in the 80s. I knew we were in for a good time when for our second date she wanted to come over, put some chicken on the grill... and watch Top Gun! We made a serious mistake, though... we turned the movie into a drinking game. Every time either one of us spotted a mistake, we called it out and took a drink of whatever kind of wine she brought. As you can imagine, between her navy service on a carrier and my being a pilot and having wasted too much time studying military aviation for one of my (useless but interesting) graduate degrees, we were fairly smashed about halfway through the film. By the end... neither of us could stand. And she busted my 1/48 scale A-4E model at one point. Worth it, though (at least, from what I can remember)!
Tonight I took a study break for my CFII checkride and put on another one of my guilty pleasure favorites... The Final Countdown. New DVD release has a much cleaned up visual and audio... great stuff. In fact, I'm such a nerd that I prefer it to Top Gun. No girls, no tinted sunset shots... just a Nimitz class carrier going through a time warp back to December 7, 1941!
Back to the books...
TM
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Post by: fireflyr on March 13, 2006, 05:03:59 AM
"I feel the need--the need for speed" Loved it when they said that in top gun, it"s always been my mantra---never flown anything as fast as an F-14 but I love low and fast!
Got me in a little trouble 5 years ago on the last day of fire season when I rolled a Commander out of a high pass over San Bernardino and then blasted over the tanker base loading ramp at 200 knots plus at about 20 feet, the Forest Service guy with me was white knuckled and the folks in dispatch were somewhat startled but they loosened up over end-of season beers later that night. All the pilots loved it!!! Lifes too short to worry about the small stuff.
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Post by: fireflyr on March 13, 2006, 05:09:28 AM
OH YEAH TURBOMALLARD!
I love Final Countdown for the same reasons plus it turns me because I was born Dec 7 1941---in Canada though, not Hawaii.
I love the "what if" possibilities.
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Post by: Mike on March 13, 2006, 05:25:14 AM
Of course there are mistakes in Top Gun, but which movie doesn't?! Did you ever notice that almost every helicopter in the movie sounds like a Huey or a Jet Ranger? (that must be the only soundbite they have....)
I love the movie! I was pretty young when it first came out but I remember it was the only movie my friends and I would ever watch together. My brother and I grew up with a bunch of kids on the same block, boys and girls. We never agreed on what we liked except that movie. It had something for everybody, ..Tom Cruise for the girls and kick-@$$ flying scenes for the boys (well...plus Kelly McGillis) . I really don't remember how many times I've seen that movie but I know that every time it's on TV and I happen to click on it, I usually don't keep clicking....
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Post by: Turbomallard on March 13, 2006, 05:26:24 AM
I love Final Countdown for the same reasons plus it turns me because I was born Dec 7 1941---in Canada though, not Hawaii.
I love the "what if" possibilities.
The film came out as I was in my last year of high school and wondering what to do with myself. I was a military history buff and unsure if I should try for the USN or USAF. The film did exactly what the USN would have wanted-- inspired a potential new recruit, and I signed up (and lasted all of three weeks when it was discovered I have asthma). Hadn't seen the film in over a decade, and when I put on the DVD a couple of months ago a LOT of memories came flooding back...
That aside, the making of commentary on the DVD is very interesting... they went through a lot to shoot aboard the ship, were on a very tight schedule, had limited access to things like the bridge, etc. Many of the bridge shots had to be done in port (they actually needed the bridge most of the time at sea). As a result, the camera angles are kept low so you don't see the dock out the windows or the complete lack of aircraft on the flight deck. Once you know this, it's almost funny to watch! Most of the shots on the bridge are about three or four feet off the deck! And the film pioneered all the camera mounts, etc. on the F-14 that were later used and improved on for Top Gun. And... most of all... you just can't beat an F-14 blasting a Zero out of the sky with a Sidewinder!
TM
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Post by: Frank N. O. on March 13, 2006, 05:48:18 AM
I've watched it tons of times too, in fact I found it cheaply on DVD last year and I got it just for the flying scenes since I love the Tomcat design, it's one of my favourites. I even had a Action Force aka G.I.Joe Tomcat model with swing-wings and parachute pilot as a kid, 2 ft long I think, man I wish I still had it. There are tons of mistakes in that movie for real, like the fact that the nut-job known as Tom Cruise is way too short to be a navy pilot, that Goose would never have been killed by the canopy due to the seat-back, the Tomcat can't fly inverted for so long as shown with the non-existant Mig-28s due to fuel-starvation and that it can't go Mach-20 or how fast he'd needed to fly to close in to the carrier as fast as told in the final part of the movie and then there are tons of small things as well.
What makes me sad is the fact that a great pilot was killed while filming the flap-spin scenes, the same pilot that flew the Aerobat in the stunning start-scenes in Iron Eagle the year before. RIP
If I want some flying fun the Hot Shots is quite funny, and it has a nice lady in it too, and as a pilot even, can't get better! Did you know that while of course most flying scenes were model-shots and such then those tiny low jets they flew are actually real? Folland Gnats made in England and formerly used by the Red Arrows.
Frank
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Post by: FlyingBlind on March 13, 2006, 12:41:13 PM
FLYIIIING TOOO THEEEE DANGER ZONE!!!!!!
I love Top Gun :) It just kicks ass....totally my favorite aviation movie when i was a youngster... We should make a movie night somewhere in europe sometime :D
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Post by: Firegirl on March 13, 2006, 03:26:39 PM
Yes!!! I Love Top Gun!!
"Requesting permission for flyby." ...... "That's a negative ghostrider, the pattern is full."
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Post by: Sleek-Jet on March 13, 2006, 04:27:12 PM
Probably the most often quoted movie in any Hanger, or any flight line, or cockpit in the world today.
"...Talk to me Goose" "This is what I call a target rich enviroment!" "Yeehaw!!! Jester's dead!!!" "Smile for the birdie. :) " "This gives me a hard-on"
It's almost endless. Cool air to air scenes as well. ;D
I've got in on DVD, but need to pick up the 20th anniversary addition (jeez, has it been that long???)
The Best flying scene in any movie has got to be Art Schoals (sp?) Aerobat sequence in "Iron Eagle"... that movie has a better sound track as well, even if the story line is outlandish. ;D
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 13, 2006, 04:28:57 PM
Gotta love Queen!
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Post by: Mike on March 13, 2006, 04:35:14 PM
Yeah, I loved that scene where he is racing the dirt bike with his aerobat (?wasn't it?). The first thing I wanted to do when I was soloing was to got one of those walkmans so I can strap it to my thigh ;) . . .
Top Gun music is one of the best as well though. (I used to have the Iron Eagle sound track...what a nerd...)
The only scene I don't get in Top Gun is where they all play beach volley and have to flex the whole time. That's so 80's. It's funny to watch now actually... And about one of the best scenes: The need to buzz the tower is engrained in every aviator! Is it because of Top Gun???
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Post by: Sleek-Jet on March 13, 2006, 04:50:17 PM
Yeah, I loved that scene where he is racing the dirt bike with his aerobat (?wasn't it?). The first thing I wanted to do when I was soloing was to got one of those walkmans so I can strap it to my thigh ;) . . .
But only after Chappy adjusts the mixture on the caruburator with the dip stick tube... ;D Man, Hollywood is great.
I knew an ag pilot that set up a walkman on a kneeboard just because of Iron Eagle. What a dork!!!! ;D
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Post by: Mike on March 13, 2006, 05:06:38 PM
Of course today it would have to be an i-pod . . . HA HA :D
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Post by: Frank N. O. on March 13, 2006, 05:32:55 PM
Yes Art Scholl was the person I thought of, flying in the Cessna 150 Aerobat that was somewhere labelled as a 152 Commuter (but isn't the blue and red checker-livery and the two roof windows unique to the Aerobat versions?). Btw the other plane wasn't that a Decathlon? (and the last a Tomahawk with the pilot wearing a old fighterhelmet :D).
I also think the stunt-flying in the canyon sequence is fantastic, one of the best around, that I've seen that is. Although the nose-wheel crash was so fake, and the full flaps clearly showing the plane would dust that bike in real life (or they might've just moved slowly for safety reasons). I do think that it's quite strange that he could only fly good with music in his ears, even if it's a movie just for entertainment then that's far out, but then again a group of teenagers boosting a pair of fully armed F-16s is also far out so... :D
Btw, isn't it illegal or at least a bad idea to have music playing while flying? Aren't you supposed to monitor the aviation radio all the time? I've seen in plane-magazines ads for radio and CD-players, like in a car, not for navigation or such.
Btw back to Top Gun, to my knowledge that manouvre Maverick does with the heavy stop is actually real according to what I read, invented during the Vietnam war, but if it's really real then it's it dangerous? He might get rear-ended.
Speaking of stuntflying then I read the guy in the Spitfire that nearly give that presenter a haircut also did stuntflying for old war-movies, like flying an old plane under a small bridge etc. but I can't remember his name, however I think to remember it said his son was also a stuntpilot. The Spitfire clip is in my permanent archive though :D
I don't know what it is with fly-bys or how often it happends but I remember my fly-by in the Cardinal, I was surprised that when I retried that in FS2004 in a 172 that it barely pulled 1.5 g because my head felt like concrete when he pulled up, I was sure it was at least 2g. Ok back on topic.
Frank
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Callisto on March 13, 2006, 06:28:02 PM
I am not a pilot, however I have more hours in MSFS than most of the people on this site ;D I love all things planes. I'll read some of these posts from real pilots, and think, That would be cool, I'm not even sure what they are talking about, but cool! I can say with 100% accuracy that Top Gun is the reason I'm so geek about planes. I'm 28 now and I lost track of how many times I've seen the movie, 100's easly. I remember the first time I saw the movie when it first came out on HBO. I thought WOW! HOW COOL IS THIS MOVIE! When we got the tape I would always fast forward past everything that wasn't a Tomcat! As I got older I knew the movie wasn't 100% real, but who cares! I will let my self believe that an F-5, excuse me... MIG-28 and F-14 can be as close to 1.5 meters with out the tail fins hitting. And every sidewinder shot is the same stock footage. I don't care if the plot is BS... I will allow my brain to shut down for an hour and a half to watch planes fly!
Ok I'm done being a nerd... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ :-[ So I was debating letting you all in on this... but what the hell... :-[
My AOL/AIM screen name is Mav16 (Mav14 was taken, and I like the F-16... so Mav16 it is... This was 1994-1995 when I created this screen name) I still use this AIM name... man I'm getting old! I began my online life (is that an oxymorn?) 12+ years ago! :P
How's that for divotion to a movie? ;D ;D ;D
NOW I'm done being a nerd...
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Post by: Mike on March 13, 2006, 06:29:35 PM
Btw, isn't it illegal or at least a bad idea to have music playing while flying? Aren't you supposed to monitor the aviation radio all the time? I've seen in plane-magazines ads for radio and CD-players, like in a car, not for navigation or such.
I don't think it's illegal. Haven't seen anything in the FAR's. If somebody knows though let me know, ok?! I have several friends with systems installed in their aircraft, some of them even fade out when somebody speaks on the radio and then come back on when it's quiet again. As for it being smart... ...I listen to music when I am flying buckets and when we are going to fires cross country. I have my little i-pod all rigged up. There is usually not a lot of people I need to talk to on the radio in the middle of Nevada and the firefighters come in so loud in their excitement that they drone everything out anyways. But I usually only put in one ear plug or don't turn it up too much because I reall like to hear what my engine and bleedvalve are doing as well...
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Post by: Mike on March 13, 2006, 06:31:33 PM
Well said Callisto! That's the response I was anticipating when I started this thread!
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Post by: Callisto on March 13, 2006, 08:05:38 PM
Well said Callisto! That's the response I was anticipating when I started this thread!
My first post to these boards and I made the Supreme Overlord happy 8)... I knew I liked this place! I guess I won't need that number to that truck driving school I saw on TV, Truck Master I think it is, I WON'T need that! ;D
Great site BTW!
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 13, 2006, 08:19:55 PM
It's not illegal to have music in the plane. If it were, you'd have to take all the ADF receivers out of every plane in the US. ;) In fact, many airplanes come with music in standard. Good systems that are set up properly will fade out when someone talks on the radio.
Now, whether it's a good idea to listen to music while flying, that's up to the PIC. I know that if I didn't have an mp3 player on my trip to CA, I would have gone nuts. But, when the radio got busy, I turned it off.
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Post by: Sleek-Jet on March 13, 2006, 08:23:43 PM
Well said Callisto! That's the response I was anticipating when I started this thread!
My first post to these boards and I made the Supreme Overlord happy 8)... I knew I liked this place! I guess I won't need that number to that truck driving school I saw on TV, Truck Master I think it is, I WON'T need that! ;D
Great site BTW!
... but if you mess up even "this much".... you'll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Callisto on March 13, 2006, 09:52:06 PM
Well said Callisto! That's the response I was anticipating when I started this thread!
My first post to these boards and I made the Supreme Overlord happy 8)... I knew I liked this place! I guess I won't need that number to that truck driving school I saw on TV, Truck Master I think it is, I WON'T need that! ;D
Great site BTW!
... but if you mess up even "this much".... you'll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong... ;D ;D ;D
Thanks Sleek-Jet... I guess I let my ego write a check my body couldn't cash! I won't let you guys down.
Maverick: Shes lost that loving feeling Goose: Shes los... No she hasnt Maverick: Yea she has. Goose: Shes not lost that lov... Maverick: Goose, she's lost it man. Goose: Come on! Aw s**t I hate it when she does that. Then he tosses a peanut on the ground all pissed... I laugh at those lines EVERY time!
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Post by: Ted_Stryker on March 13, 2006, 10:33:51 PM
It's not illegal to have music in the plane. If it were, you'd have to take all the ADF receivers out of every plane in the US. ;) In fact, many airplanes come with music in standard. Good systems that are set up properly will fade out when someone talks on the radio.
Now, whether it's a good idea to listen to music while flying, that's up to the PIC. I know that if I didn't have an mp3 player on my trip to CA, I would have gone nuts. But, when the radio got busy, I turned it off.
On the new G-1000 equipped C-172's I fly, they have XM Radio built in. I let the passengers enjoy, and use the pilot isolate feature to turn it off for me, or I keep the volume of it much lower on my headset than the nav/com.
In my primary training, it was not uncommon for my CFI and I to tune in the baseball game on KMOX Radio via the ADF :) Of course, it was not used in such a manner even way back then as to interfere with ATC communications.
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Post by: Mike on March 13, 2006, 10:43:31 PM
... but if you mess up even "this much".... you'll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong... ;D ;D ;D
Aww You used my favorite line out of the movie! I was gonna post it later. (I just had to think about how excactly it goes. They actually have a pretty good line for that in German as well. One of the few times when the translation actually didn't mess up the joke...)
Plus, I too hate when she looses that loving feeling ;)
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Post by: Justin on March 13, 2006, 11:05:28 PM
Thats what we use here at Riddle
Shhhhhh
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Post by: Justin on March 13, 2006, 11:07:30 PM
Oops missed the secnod page. I'm talking about the walkmam/i-pod thing.
Just used on my flight down to the Keys 8)
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Post by: Mike on March 14, 2006, 01:04:10 AM
Music is ok I think... as long as you're not loosing that loving feeling... ;)
(ok, it's recycled one but it's from one of my first jokes so it's ok...)
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Post by: C310RCaptian on March 14, 2006, 02:46:30 AM
The aviation fraternity at my college required all the pledges to sing “lost that loving feeling” to the entire sorority complex… and they couldn’t read it off a piece of paper. It had to come strait from memory... lost many good men that way…
About the music thing… The 310 I fly has XM radio for the Garmin 530 and 430 for the weather. I listen to it all the time. I’ve found it calms me down and helps me focus on hard things like IFR approaches or a smooth landing with important guests onboard. Its kind of like listening to classical music while studying. ;D
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Post by: fireflyr on March 14, 2006, 03:13:04 AM
What makes me sad is the fact that a great pilot was killed while filming the flap-spin scenes, the same pilot that flew the Aerobat in the stunning start-scenes in Iron Eagle the year before. RIP
Frank
We taliking about Art Scholl ?
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Post by: Frank N. O. on March 14, 2006, 04:52:16 AM
What makes me sad is the fact that a great pilot was killed while filming the flap-spin scenes, the same pilot that flew the Aerobat in the stunning start-scenes in Iron Eagle the year before. RIP
Frank
We taliking about Art Scholl ?
Yes, as I read it he flew his Pitt S-2 with a movie-camera on around to film the falt-spin, which I gather was then actually his plane that spun around a steady flying Tomcat, but when he had to recover from the spin he couldn't, estimated because of the offset weight of the heavy camera equipment :( RIP
Frank
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Post by: Stef on March 14, 2006, 11:26:18 AM
Ah, I loved the movie! True, my brother an me were watching it I don't know how many times... Unlike Callisto I rather fast forwarded the romantic scenes, because I was to young to appreciate it! Hm, but when I think about it, I might fast forward them nowadays as well. ;D
Oh, and I lOVE the soundtrack! I think we had in on tape somewhere. I think I fast forwarded "Take My Breath Away" too though... hehe. I actually have a Steve Stevens model Washburn E-guitar. Steve Stevens is the guy who plays the guitar in the Top Gun Anthem. But that is just coincidence, I admit.
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Post by: FlyingBlind on March 14, 2006, 02:56:12 PM
And repeating ! FLYYYYYYYYINNNG TOOO THEEE DANGER ZONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BOOYAH!
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Post by: Sleek-Jet on March 14, 2006, 03:30:40 PM
Sorry about stealing your quote mike... :P
I had to go home and watch it last night... So what's the deal with all the air conditioners in the Navy being broke?? Man, people sweat alot in that movie. ;D
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Post by: Callisto on March 14, 2006, 03:59:13 PM
Ok... so who's seen... Brokeback Squadron? Along the same lines as Brokeback to the Future, not as good, but with editing, Maverick and Iceman are "pretty close". Go to Google Video and search "brokeback squadron".
Now talk about fast forwarding past the romantic scenes!!!
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Post by: Stef on March 14, 2006, 09:40:32 PM
Ok... so who's seen... Brokeback Squadron? Along the same lines as Brokeback to the Future, not as good, but with editing, Maverick and Iceman are "pretty close". Go to Google Video and search "brokeback squadron".
Now talk about fast forwarding past the romantic scenes!!!
HAHA! This is great!!! ;D ;D
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Post by: Mravac Kid on March 14, 2006, 10:02:25 PM
Top Gun is the most awesome modern aviation movie. :) It's also completely silly, since a pilot acting like that wouldn't be given control of a lawnmower let alone an F-14, but hey. ;) I've seen it several dozen times when I was a kid, and there was a time when I could recite it beginning to end... sadly, I have forgotten most of it since. If I were able to become a pilot, that movie would be the single biggest reason for it... well, maybe after the Spitfire. :)
"Bogies like fireflies, all over the sky..."
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Post by: madpilot44 on March 14, 2006, 10:17:53 PM
Man have I seen that movie!!! I must've seen it about 50 times... and still I love it when they play it in the TV... my sister bugs me about it, as I've seen it so much I know most of the lines jaja. I love the flying scenes, definetly one of the reasons I'm so crazy about airplanes. also made me really like the F-14... too bad it's going out of bussiness.
BTW I also carry some music when I go flying solo, and I put on only one earpiece and have the volume low so I can hear ATC...
"I feel the need... the need for speed!!!"
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Post by: Mike on March 15, 2006, 12:23:39 AM
I had to go home and watch it last night... So what's the deal with all the air conditioners in the Navy being broke?? Man, people sweat alot in that movie. ;D
True... Good thing you can't smell the TV. I've heard that "Slider" stinks ! ;) :D
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Post by: Jay on March 15, 2006, 03:38:49 AM
TOP GUN . . . .
How many times have you seen it? Probably around 2 dozen (hey, I'm 25! I'll catch up!)
Did you like it? It's great! Not totally realistic (like loading inert missiles for battle, etc) but fun!
Are you in aviation because of the movie? Not quite, but combine all the aviation movies I've seen and love (The Right Stuff, Memphis Belle, Apollo 13, Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines, Flight of the Intruder, Tuskegee Airmen, etc etc etc) and there's a strong possibility in there!
Can you recite every scene from the movie? You betcha! Who in aviation (who likes the movie anyway) can't?
Is "Top Gun" for aviators what "Backdraft" is for firefighters and "Star Wars" for everybody else? Okay, I'm not a Star Wars fan...sorry, everyone else in the world! But Top Gun is at least one of the movies for/about pilots. It may have its flaws and not be totally realistic but the same goes for Backdraft. I know--my dad was a firefighter all my childhood and then I was a firefighter for a couple years and I've been a pilot since HS (as well as a licensed air traffic controller and dispatcher).
You can't totally discredit Top Gun even if you pick out all the imperfections. It's about the feeling of the movie and isn't that what all movies are about? :D
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 15, 2006, 03:41:33 AM
Hey, Mike, I think we found your controller.
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Post by: MO on March 15, 2006, 03:53:54 AM
Ha! ha! ha! Nice catch, Gulf! I´ve read that post twice and didn't realized he was also an Controller...
There you go, Mike, an ATC guy at last!
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Post by: Mike on March 15, 2006, 06:16:02 AM
Yay! Finally!! :) So, do you wanna join up and join us and give us a little insight into the world of ATC there Jay??
Back to Top Gun: Thanks to you guys I had to watch it again myself. Jay is right, it's all about the feeling of the movie! I love the movie! When I was a kid I wanted to be a fighter pilot and just like they were in the movie. And now, watching it again, it still makes me think that it depicts a way aviation is "supposed" to be (as I said before: in my little world where I am king and everybody loves me). Too bad you couldn't get away with any of what Maverick is doing in real life. But don't we all wish we could? I just had an FAA checkride today on two(!) aircraft at the same time...
Plus, let's mention this as well while I am at it: The love scene eveybody forwards through...wouldn't it be nice if it would work out like that in real life? ;) (keep in mind I am a cartoon guy and there is a reason for this...he he)
Another thing I see different now after being in aviation for a while. Have any of you guys ever worked for the movies or flown a camera? Do you have any idea how difficult it is to keep three or four aircraft in frame???...not to mention fast movers like that... THE FLYING SCENES ARE AWESOME !! And I would like to agree with my brother on the music. Well done! I love it. I also love the cheesy pick up lines Maverick uses. He is as good as Chuck only with a better track record. (I guess if you fly F-14's it doesn't matter how bad the lines are, hehe ..."Oh, so you are a pilot?" "That's right, a Naval Aviator!".....amazing)
but here I go rambling on... look at me!
"So, you're flying with Iceman?" "That's MISTER Iceman for you!"
and
"OK Mav, let's turn and burn!"
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Post by: Roland on March 15, 2006, 10:21:10 AM
Interesting to see the huge reaction on this thread. Lovely. ;D
Of course I’ve seen this movie several times. And it had inflicted my life in aviation a little. It came out as I joined the army to become an engineer. Deep inside me I was dreaming to become a pilot, but with glasses on my nose the army simply said “no”. :'( So I kept on dreaming and this movie was a great help to do so. I met friends at this time and they had been very deep into this movie. One tried to become a jet-fighter pilot in the army but they again said “no”. Sounds sad but isn’t. He became a pilot with an airline here in Austria. I became a helicopter engineer and Top Gun is a fine entertainment now. :D
I like the flying scenes very much. As stated before from one of you guys: no need to see it to realistic. It is entertainment, no training video. ;) At the army I got hold of a documentation of the REAL Top Gun aviators. THIS IS SOMETHING COMPLEETELY DIFFERENT! In this video they showed a deck landing at night and high sea. Breathtaking! And this guys go out to kill …
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Post by: FlyingBlind on March 15, 2006, 03:43:52 PM
Ok... so who's seen... Brokeback Squadron? Along the same lines as Brokeback to the Future, not as good, but with editing, Maverick and Iceman are "pretty close". Go to Google Video and search "brokeback squadron".
Now talk about fast forwarding past the romantic scenes!!!
Good one :D
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Post by: Sleek-Jet on March 15, 2006, 03:55:46 PM
I could tell you... but then I would have to kill you... ;D
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Post by: Missa on March 15, 2006, 06:13:52 PM
The only scene I don't get in Top Gun is where they all play beach volley and have to flex the whole time. That's so 80's. It's funny to watch now actually...
Hello! That's becuase you not Female... It was purely eyecandy for the girls.
Missa PS LOVE the movie!
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Post by: Mike on March 15, 2006, 06:28:04 PM
HA HA! Looks like there is something for everybody in that movie!! ;D
Well said Missa!
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Post by: Ted_Stryker on March 15, 2006, 06:41:49 PM
The ACM shots in that movie were awesome! Talk about Pilot eye-candy (and Kelly McGillis wasn't half bad to look at either)!
Loved the soundtrack, and the spirit of the movie, even if the behavior of Mavrick would have been grounds for court-martial in real life.
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Post by: FlyingBlind on March 15, 2006, 07:34:20 PM
As said before ;D its a good movie! I love it! It was my favorite movie when i was young and the Aces (parody) kicked complete and utter @$$ too :D
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Callisto on March 16, 2006, 12:22:34 AM
Merlin: What are you doing? You're slowing down, you're slowing down! Maverick: I'm bringing him in closer, Merlin. Merlin: You're gonna do WHAT? (And his eyes nearly pop out of his skull :D :D :D )
Quick triva... Merlin is Tim Robbins. I never knew that until I saw Top Gun after I saw Shawshank Redemption years ago! So if you are playing "6 Degrees to Kevin Bacon" it could be a ringer! I used to play 6deg with my buddies all the time in HS, cause we were nerds! ;D
Now Tim is like 6-1/2' tall... would he even be a Navy Pilot, I thought there was a hight restriction? Being too tall he wouldn't fit in the cockpit?
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Post by: MO on March 16, 2006, 04:10:56 AM
Um... Ahh... I guess that it's my duty to do this.
Here are The SONG LYRICS for Kenny Loggins' "Danger Zone" which is part of the TOP GUN movie soundtrack...
Revvin' up your engine Listen to her howlin' roar Metal under tension Beggin' you to touch and go
Highway to the Danger Zone Ride into the Danger Zone
Headin' into twilight Spreadin' out her wings tonight She got you jumpin' off the track And shovin' into overdrive
Highway to the Danger Zone I'll take you Right into the Danger Zone
You'll never say hello to you Until you get it on the red line overload You'll never know what you can do Until you get it up as high as you can go
Out along the edges Always where I burn to be The further on the edge The hotter the intensity
Highway to the Danger Zone Gonna take you Right into the Danger Zone
Highway to the Danger Zone
Enjoy!
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Post by: Mike on March 16, 2006, 04:27:55 AM
Thanks MO!
You can be my wingman anytime !! ;)
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Post by: wbarnhill on March 16, 2006, 04:51:08 AM
Ah yes, I thought of asking for a flyby on my solo... but decided against it. Though I must admit I enjoyed the day I heard this...
GYH: "Cessna 304, can you go ahead and start your base?" 304: "Roger, Cessna 304 turning left base for runway 23" GYH: "304 cleared for landing, runway 23." 304: "Cleared for landing runway 23, 304" GYH: "Thanks. Got a Hawker that Greer passed off to me with little notice, and you know he'll be coming in at Mach 2 with his hair on fire."
As for the movie, loved it, love it, and will continue to sing "You've lost that lovin feeling" at karaoke. ;D
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Post by: MO on March 16, 2006, 04:51:58 AM
Don't mention it, Mike. Besides, I love that song!
Bullsh*t! You can be mine !! ;D
Cheers!
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Frank N. O. on March 16, 2006, 09:32:19 AM
That was Tim Robbins? It's funny how you can see movies you knew when you were younger and then notice big stars nowadays were in it as supporting members :)
Btw Callisto, besides the maximum height then there's the matter that TOm Cruise is 2" too short to be a naval aviator :D
Wbarnhill, that does sound like fun, as long as he wasn't too close to you :)
Frank
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: FlyingBlind on March 16, 2006, 01:56:31 PM
Guns and Roses - You could be mine It may be the soudntrack of Terminator II , BUT it sounds like Top Gun soundtrack :P
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Callisto on March 16, 2006, 03:02:07 PM
Btw Callisto, besides the maximum height then there's the matter that TOm Cruise is 2" too short to be a naval aviator :D
Frank
D'OH!!! :D
So Merlin is too tall, Goose picks his nose while playing Volleyball and now Maverick is too short... that's it I hate TG now! :D :D :D Ok I'm kidding... it's still the best movie ever, about Naval Aviators. Although Flight of the Intruder (not to be confused with Flight of the Navigator ;D ) wasn't bad for some SAM killing action!
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Sleek-Jet on March 16, 2006, 04:10:25 PM
Btw Callisto, besides the maximum height then there's the matter that TOm Cruise is 2" too short to be a naval aviator :D
Frank
D'OH!!! :D
So Merlin is too tall, Goose picks his nose while playing Volleyball and now Maverick is too short... that's it I hate TG now! :D :D :D Ok I'm kidding... it's still the best movie ever, about Naval Aviators. Although Flight of the Intruder (not to be confused with Flight of the Navigator ;D ) wasn't bad for some SAM killing action!
I fly iron hand... it's kinda my thing. ;D
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: kkrummy1 on March 16, 2006, 05:25:56 PM
I always enjoyed Top Gun but thought Cloud Dancer was a better movie from a pilots perspective. Anybody else seen it?
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: jackryan172 on March 16, 2006, 07:36:57 PM
OK just one comment and Ill go back into my shell:
Fighter pukes make movies,
Attack pilots make history!
Jackryan172
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: jackryan172 on March 16, 2006, 07:39:58 PM
Btw Callisto, besides the maximum height then there's the matter that TOm Cruise is 2" too short to be a naval aviator :D
Frank
D'OH!!! :D
So Merlin is too tall, Goose picks his nose while playing Volleyball and now Maverick is too short... that's it I hate TG now! :D :D :D Ok I'm kidding... it's still the best movie ever, about Naval Aviators. Although Flight of the Intruder (not to be confused with Flight of the Navigator ;D ) wasn't bad for some SAM killing action!
I fly iron hand... it's kinda my thing. ;D
Close your eyes......and Shoot!!!!!
Gotta love the shrike!
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 16, 2006, 11:09:04 PM
Never heard of Cloud Dancer. What's it about?
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Post by: kkrummy1 on March 17, 2006, 12:21:35 PM
David Carridine plays an unlimited aerobatic pilot flying at competitions around the country. The late Charlie Hilliard and the rest of the well known aerobatic pilots of the time had bit parts. The most interesting parts of the movies are the aerobatic shots were Carridine (being himself a pilot) was actually filmed during actual aerobatic maneuvers. You can even see him looking a little green around the gills after a particularly hard snap roll sequence. The plot kind of sucked, but the plane stuff was more than worth watching. Keep in mind this was made in 1980 so most of the aerobatics are in Pitts bipes with a brief glimpse of the late great Leo Looudenslager in his original Laser 200. Art Scholl did the air to air work with Charlie, Gene and Tommy. If you get a chance to see it don't miss it.
KK
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Mike on March 17, 2006, 06:03:33 PM
I remember that movie. I've seen it long long time ago and when you explained it.... Great! Another movie I gotta go out and get now. Thanks! ::)
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Callisto on March 17, 2006, 06:26:37 PM
This morning I was running late to work, so I text messaged my boss letting him know I would be a few minutes late. And after I stopped at 7-11 for a coffee (yes even when I run late I GOTTA stop for coffee!) I sent another text... "Maverick is supersonic. I'll be there in 30sec!" When he saw me, he started cracking up. :D
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Frank N. O. on March 17, 2006, 07:36:14 PM
Jack Ryan, reminds me of the car-quote: Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races, I think that was Carroll Shelby that said that, and it's true, torque is a lot more useful in traffic than hp let me tell you!
Speaking of Top Gun, while searching for flight helmets a long time ago I found a site that selled helmets of various kinds and they had a display of custom paintjobs including all the main ones from Top Gun, was that the company that made them, or are they replicas? And when does one really need a helmet, they also had twin-visor helicopter helmets.
Frank
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Mike on March 18, 2006, 12:25:23 AM
This morning I was running late to work, so I text messaged my boss letting him know I would be a few minutes late. And after I stopped at 7-11 for a coffee (yes even when I run late I GOTTA stop for coffee!) I sent another text... "Maverick is supersonic. I'll be there in 30sec!" When he saw me, he started cracking up. :D
Awesome! You're the kind of aviation nerd we're looking for for the forum. Well done Callisto!!
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Mike on March 18, 2006, 12:39:04 AM
There are tons of mistakes in that movie for real, like the fact that the nut-job known as Tom Cruise is way too short to be a navy pilot, that Goose would never have been killed by the canopy due to the seat-back, the Tomcat can't fly inverted for so long as shown with the non-existant Mig-28s due to fuel-starvation and that it can't go Mach-20 or how fast he'd needed to fly to close in to the carrier as fast as told in the final part of the movie and then there are tons of small things as well.
Frank
You know what's interesting? I always thought that Goose dying was an unrealistic part but I was watching "the making of Top Gun" yesterday (well, since we were talking about it all week and I am an aviation nerd) and this part could actually happen! The writers wanted a mid-air collision but the NAVY said "hell-no we're not gonna have two NAVY planes run into eachother!". So they consulted one of the technical advisors for the show telling him "the RIO has to die" and he went back through the files to find a plausible death in form of an accident and saw an incident where the plane went into a flat-spin after one engine flamed out because it they flew through somebody elses jet-wash. Procedure is to fire off the canopy first and then wait before ejecting because they found that the F-14 did build up a low pressure on top of the plane in a flat spin which would actually have the canopy float there for a little while before it flies away. Nobody got killed that way but it COULD happen if you fire the canopy and the ejection seat at the same time. Plus they said it's a myth that you would fire through the canopy if it doesn't come off because they canopies of the newer jets are really strong.
They also said that Maverick not being able to reach the ejection handles and Goose having to do it for him is realistic because the pilot sits further away from the center of the flat-spinning plane and has therefore higher centrifugal forces acting on him than the RIO who sits closer to the center.
Well, maybe you guys knew all that already but I learned something last night!
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Post by: fireflyr on March 18, 2006, 01:03:55 AM
DARN!!!! Thanks for the wonderful explanation Mike-----however, I was willing to take their word for it the first time just on the S**T HAPPENS principle. (Murphy's law too)
Jim
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Post by: MO on March 18, 2006, 01:57:42 AM
Wow! Mike, you actually have been doing your homework, haven't you? Thanx for taking the time!!!
Years ago, I saw something very similar: a guy (a photographer if my memory serves me right) while getting out of the cockpit of a Cessna OA-37B ejected accidentally when his feet entangled with the ejector's handles. Anyhow, he went trough the canopy's plexiglass, breaking his neck and getting killed instantly in spite of having a helmet on.
Saludos!
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 18, 2006, 02:45:12 AM
That's fascinating, Mike. Thanks.
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Post by: Frank N. O. on March 18, 2006, 06:44:21 AM
Yes I've heard that the F-14 is prone to flat-spins as well, and that it did indeed happend several times, however there's one thing I heard about the Goose-strike, namely that the seat would hit first, not the pilotes head, therefore it wouldn't be possible to be killed, and where do the seats go in the next shot?
Frank
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Post by: Sleek-Jet on March 18, 2006, 04:16:21 PM
Goose drowned... knocked unconsious by the strike on the canopy. :o
That's why we see Mav pulling him to the surface by his parachute lines.
It isn't explained in the movie, but makes much more sence that him dieing from hitting the canopy.
Also note that they are very low when they finally punch out, so it doesn't take him long to get to the water. Of course, the Pacific ocean is a long way from Fallon Nevada, maybe it's Lake Tahoe. :D
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Frank N. O. on March 18, 2006, 09:34:56 PM
Oh so that's what happend, I thought it was a broken neck, still the seat according to the info I had should've shielded him nonetheless.
Btw, look in the humour-thread for Val Kilmer's second Ice Man performance.
I read that Top Gun 2 was supposed to have Maverick be a Top Gun instructor and there was supposed to be a female fighter pilot that acted like a young version of himself. I would seriously love to have seen that, if portrayed in a realistic maner, I'm a sucker for a strong capable woman. To heck with flight attendants, give me a woman pilot! :D
Frank
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Callisto on March 19, 2006, 03:38:43 AM
This morning I was running late to work, so I text messaged my boss letting him know I would be a few minutes late. And after I stopped at 7-11 for a coffee (yes even when I run late I GOTTA stop for coffee!) I sent another text... "Maverick is supersonic. I'll be there in 30sec!" When he saw me, he started cracking up. :D
Awesome! You're the kind of aviation nerd we're looking for for the forum. Well done Callisto!!
Thanks Mike! I’m glad I was bored at work one day and found you guys! What better home would an aviation nerd have! ;D
I was under the assumption that Goose broke his neck. Thinking he hit the canopy because it didn't break away because there was no rush of air blowing the canopy off. In a forward flying ejection the canopy would be ripped off due to the air rushing in. The wind wasn’t rushing in because of the flat spin
How fast could some one drown? Maverick got to him quick enough... But who's to say? We are dealing with Movie Time… not normal time.
Oh.. and the green "ink" in the water, I figured it was to locate the pilots quicker. But I heard it was a shark repelent too? Any one know if that's true?
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Post by: Mike on March 19, 2006, 04:52:50 AM
You know how in movies helicopters always start up and are airborne within 10 seconds or less. I think they just cut out the part where they both splashed into the water, then Maverick tried to figure out where his buddy is who I am sure didn't land right next to him, had to swim over to him and by that time a person can easily drown.
God! Listen to me! I am such an aviation nerd.... he he :D
Actually, have any of you ever seen anybody drown? I have. It can happen pretty quick actually...
I can ask about the green dye. Some of my friends used to be NAVY seals. If you ever get your hands on that stuff, don't play with it. Those same guys played around one day at a campfire showing a couple of little kids how this stuff works by using just a little dye... Next morning they got woken up by a hazmat team because some scared lady thought the pond had nuclear waste in it and they got in trouble (I guess the lady saw too many "Simpsons" episodes...)
EDIT: look at what I just wrote.... ...with friends like this... no wonder I make cartoons !!!
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: SkyKing on March 19, 2006, 09:51:29 AM
I was a pilot long before Top Gun came along, and always figured that the only reason to buy it is for the flying scenes.
This movie was NOT WORTH ART SCHOLL'S LIFE.
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Post by: SkyKing on March 19, 2006, 10:05:16 AM
You know how in movies helicopters always start up and are airborne within 10 seconds or less. I think they just cut out the part where they both splashed into the water, then Maverick tried to figure out where his buddy is who I am sure didn't land right next to him, had to swim over to him and by that time a person can easily drown.
God! Listen to me! I am such an aviation nerd.... he he :D
Actually, have any of you ever seen anybody drown? I have. It can happen pretty quick actually...
I can ask about the green dye. Some of my friends used to be NAVY seals. If you ever get your hands on that stuff, don't play with it. Those same guys played around one day at a campfire showing a couple of little kids how this stuff works by using just a little dye... Next morning they got woken up by a hazmat team because some scared lady thought the pond had nuclear waste in it and they got in trouble (I guess the lady saw too many "Simpsons" episodes...)
EDIT: look at what I just wrote.... ...with friends like this... no wonder I make cartoons !!!
You're overanalyzing a moving comic book. ;)
The first real joke is how the canopy could have been there in the first place. During the eject sequence, the canopy is flang into a galaxy far, far away well before the seats fire. The absolute last place the thing would be is hovering over the cockpit.
The second joke is how running into the canopy would be a problem, when the Martin-Baker egress system used in the F-14 Flying Turkey is designed to GO THROUGH a canopy which fails to eject (and in some aircraft, the canopy isn't ejected at all, there is just a fracturing charge that breaks up the plastic before the seat goes through it).
The helicopter was there so soon because they had a copy of the script!
The packet is both marker dye and shark repellent. It tastes like someone else's spit, but is non-toxic. Considering the stuff that sharks have been known to eat, I don't think it would slow one down much.
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Yoshida on March 19, 2006, 12:35:05 PM
I guess Top Gun is for you guys as Cliffhanger is for me. When you mountaineer the way I do, you notice 'hey, he actually has LESS equipment on his belt than in the previous part of that same conversation' and a second later that same belt is LOADED with shiny, unused, expensive stuff. Not to mention the freakingly unbelieveable climbing techniques. I don't think they intended to shoot an aviation movie, but just an action flick with aviation bits 'n culture in it. Same with Cliffhanger (or Backdraft). But it's always good for me to witness some mountains, or climbing action, or people getting shot. (did I just said that out loud?)
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Post by: Sleek-Jet on March 19, 2006, 03:58:43 PM
Yoshida, I got to watch the aerial scenes in Cliffhanger being shot, from the ground of course... ;D
They did the air to air stuff over Southwestern Colorado. I was working on the line one Saturday and got to watch a DC-9 and Jetstar chase the B-25 camera ship all over the place. It was pretty cool.
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Mike on March 19, 2006, 07:32:25 PM
. . . The helicopter was there so soon because they had a copy of the script! . . .
Thanks for clearing up the shark repellant thing. I had no idea.
I like tyour line The helicopter was there so soon because they had a copy of the script! HA HA! I will use that next time!!
And of course I am overanalyzing the movie!!! ;D It's fun!
Another good one to overanalyze is "Fire Storm" for wildland firefighters. HA HA That one is realisitc as well! But as we said before in this already very long thread, it's all about the feeling you get from the movie and that you enjoy yourself. If you want realisitc, watch the history channel!!! ;)
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 20, 2006, 04:20:03 AM
Fire Birds is another realistic movie. Long on bad acting and jargon misuse and short on storyline.
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Mike on March 20, 2006, 04:52:06 AM
True that Gulf! Wow, being a chopper jokey I was very disappointed. It doesn't even have that "good feeling" you get with Top Gun. With Top Gun I am willing to see past the flaws because it was just a great and entertaining movie....
But this thread was intended to be a tribute to the true classic movie Top Gun!! How 'bout we start another thread about bad aviation movies: like "unfortunate mistakes in aviation movies" or "wow, that was a bad movie!" or something, he he ;)
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: MO on March 20, 2006, 07:27:03 AM
Hey guys! Check this out:
http://www.moviemistakes.com/film1312
Enjoy!
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: SkyKing on March 20, 2006, 10:37:21 AM
They also said that Maverick not being able to reach the ejection handles and Goose having to do it for him is realistic because the pilot sits further away from the center of the flat-spinning plane and has therefore higher centrifugal forces acting on him than the RIO who sits closer to the center.
Well, maybe you guys knew all that already but I learned something last night!
Real aviators tighten their straps before ACM.
BTW, if you can't reach the overhead loops ("Primary Eject Sequence Initiation Lanyards") you reach down and yank the Alternate Eject Sequence Initiation Handle. It doesn't give you the face-protective curtain, but you're still going to get your loud ride. There is no place in the cockpit of a two-holer that you can't reach the loops and you can't reach the backup handle.
BTW again, the (vastly superior) ACES II seat doesn't have overhead loops or face curtain, it only has the arm-fire handle on the left side of the seat. If you're in the seat, you can eject.
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: fireflyr on March 20, 2006, 11:41:25 AM
Wow, They sure tear up TOP GUN on this site----which matters not to me, I enjoyed the movie for what it was , fantasy!
I caught a couple (like throttle movement) during the the movie but I just chalk that up to artistic license.
You can rip up any movie if you are in involved in that particular field but that shouldn't take away from the essential essence of the endeavor which is to simply entertain us---if I want accuracy, I watch documentories.
So, on that basis, I give TOP GUN (TOPGUN) two thumbs up! "Experts" bedamned.
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Post by: Yoshida on March 20, 2006, 02:19:56 PM
Yoshida, I got to watch the aerial scenes in Cliffhanger being shot, from the ground of course... ;D
They did the air to air stuff over Southwestern Colorado. I was working on the line one Saturday and got to watch a DC-9 and Jetstar chase the B-25 camera ship all over the place. It was pretty cool.
Oow that's true, it had some fancy flying in it as well. I don't wanna know about the mistakes in that, or with the helicopter scenes. All I wanted to point out is, if you watch a movie with baseball scenes from a baseball perspective you're bound to catch some errors. But they're there to make the story work. Most important thing is that when you watch a movie, you should enjoy it because else, frankly, it's a waste of time. Common folks buy shit like a jetfighter flying upside down for way too long, but I can understand why you say 'man, that's ridiculous!' I know how you feel, from watching Vertical Limit. Everything to do with climbing in that movie has nothing to do with climbing at all. But who cares.
That doesn't take the fun out of discussing it all with some pro's or enthousiasts. ^_^
- Yosh out
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Post by: Mike on March 20, 2006, 05:11:53 PM
Wow! What blows me away is that there are people out there who actually have the time to look for this and then the time to point that stuff out and post it. Things like "the wine bottle keeps rotating" are totally lost on me. I'd never catch that in a million years (probably 'cause I don't care) ;) If these people would used their gift for good rather than evil, we probably would have a good chance on getting one or the other cancer cured...
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 20, 2006, 05:31:05 PM
Wow! What blows me away is that there are people out there who actually have the time to look for this and then the time to point that stuff out and post it. Things like "the wine bottle keeps rotating" are totally lost on me. I'd never catch that in a million years (probably 'cause I don't care) ;) If these people would used their gift for good rather than evil, we probably would have a good chance on getting one or the other cancer cured...
Hear, hear.
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: Callisto on March 20, 2006, 05:40:25 PM
Search any movie on this site, there is some nerd out there that found an error or 100... You just spent $13.99 on the Widescreen Special Collector's Edition of Top Gun, on Amazon, just let yourself enjoy the flick! :D
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Post by: Mike on March 20, 2006, 07:27:57 PM
True that!
Well said,...well said...
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 20, 2006, 08:29:10 PM
Thanks for the link, MO. Now we can make fun of movie geeks. ;)
I did a search on Hot Shots, and there were 11 comments posted. This is the very last one.
"Audio problem: When Ramada is singing and falls down from the piano you hear her hit the floor. But it also sound like she falls on a tray with glasses. But when they cut back to her lying on the floor the floor is empty and no tray is to be seen."
I wonder if this person understands what the movie was actually about.
I also found a Corrections page for Hot Shots. It looks like some people on that site have a sense of humor.
http://www.moviemistakes.com/film631/corrections
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: madpilot44 on March 20, 2006, 10:36:09 PM
Don´t the navy pilots wear a lifejacket? actually a floating device, you can see it popped-out when hollywood and his RIO are getting off the chopper after beign shot down in the final dogfight. it's designed so it keeps your head out of the water even if you have passed-out, and inflates automatically after touching water, so Goose wouldn't have drowned while wearing it... (wow, I think I've read too much jaja, that sounded geekish... ;) )
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Post by: Ted_Stryker on March 20, 2006, 11:02:18 PM
Don´t the navy pilots wear a lifejacket? actually a floating device, you can see it popped-out when hollywood and his RIO are getting off the chopper after beign shot down in the final dogfight. it's designed so it keeps your head out of the water even if you have passed-out, and inflates automatically after touching water, so Goose wouldn't have drowned while wearing it... (wow, I think I've read too much jaja, that sounded geekish... ;) )
If memory serves, the explaination of Goose's demise was that he had a broken back and/or neck from impact with the canopy (something not likely to happen in real life anyway due to the way the ejection system and canopy release explosive bolts fire in different trajectories... but they took...ahem... creative license). I don't recall if they ever actually said that was the cause in the movie, but it was implied with the impact shot, and the blood coming from Goose's head when Maverick gets to him.
It seems that Dr. Greene... I mean Goose... I mean Anthony Edwards seems to get killed off fairly often in his projects.... first in Top Gun, then in E.R., and I think he buys the farm in a number of other things in his filmography background.... poor fellow!
Title: Re: >>>TOP GUN<<<
Post by: MO on March 21, 2006, 04:50:23 AM
By the way, how many of you -after seeing the movie- ended up with a leather jacket full of badges?
Another question: Which is TOP GUN's scene that you like the most?
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 21, 2006, 05:18:34 AM
Favorite scenes are all of the dogfighting sequences and the carrier deck ops.
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Post by: Mike on March 21, 2006, 05:35:49 AM
Yeah man....the carrier ops!! Loved them as a kid, still love them now.
No Jacket though...
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Post by: SkyKing on March 21, 2006, 01:57:57 PM
By the way, how many of you -after seeing the movie- ended up with a leather jacket full of badges?
Not me. That sort of thing is for Navyators and little kids (sorry to be redundant).
Well ya gotta have either the jacket, a 2 pound watch, or the aviator sunglasses for them women at BYU to know you're a pilot, right? ;) ;)
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Post by: madpilot44 on March 21, 2006, 04:11:35 PM
Favorite scenes would be the dogfighting scenes.
let's see... I have the 2 pound watch, and a helmet bag full of patches (does that count?)... I've got to get a jacket jaja ;D
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 21, 2006, 04:14:03 PM
That's how you tell a pilot in any social situation. Big glasses, bigger watch, and a leather jacket. All had practicle purposes at one point, but now they just "look cool."
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Post by: Mike on March 21, 2006, 05:16:11 PM
That's how you tell a pilot in any social situation. Big glasses, bigger watch, and a leather jacket. All had practicle purposes at one point, but now they just "look cool."
Like the old saying: Big glasses, big watch, big mouth, small . . .*cough*
;D
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Post by: Sleek-Jet on March 21, 2006, 05:24:34 PM
You guys are so full of it...
Favorite scene would be the Loooovvvveeee scene. ;D ;) ::)
Second place goes to the air-to-air shots. ;D
And for the record, I like my leather jacket. It's windproof, keeps me warm, has character, and mine actually sees the inside of a cockpit. :)
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Post by: Mike on March 21, 2006, 05:28:08 PM
He he...good one! Do you have a bunch of patches on it??
I have a nomex flight jacket (green and blue) but no leather jacket. It's a little warm for Southern California....although I wished a couple of times before that I'd have one in Montana early in the morning or in Ely in May at 6000ft and before the sun comes up....
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Post by: Sleek-Jet on March 21, 2006, 05:32:11 PM
No patches... just a worn old, goatskin jacket...
It's unlined, so it's perfect for Arizona.
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 21, 2006, 08:46:31 PM
Hey, my jacket sees the inside of a cockpit, usually only in Spring and Fall (winters are too cold and summers too hot). It'll see the back of a motorcycle more often.
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Post by: Bramter on March 22, 2006, 10:42:36 AM
During one of my mountaineering trips, I've seen a flying chopper from above. And I got there using manpower only. Given, it took the chopper less than 4 minutes to ascend to about 1500 ft, and me over 4 hours to ascend to 2700 ft. But don't you feel godlike when you're up there with the wind in your hair, sun on your chest and a handcrafted walking stick in your hand? eem I mean being up there with a full batch of gasoline and nothing but the skies around you? Chances are my boots have seen more action than any of you guy's jackets. but still: respect amongst brothers who'd die to live up there. No other (natural) high can beat that. Including sex.
Top gun: solid movie, as being already said. But it's got the old 'Hollywood Seal of Approval' and that always makes me feel abit doubtful about credibility, so I try not to think of it.
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Post by: kkrummy1 on March 22, 2006, 01:37:47 PM
The first time I saw TG was in the local movie theater. I had just purchased a new Trans Am with T tops and all the cool stuff. I think I hit 130 on the way home. I definately felt the need for speed. Used to play the soundtrack while running down the highway. Sigh! Those were teh days.
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 22, 2006, 03:51:07 PM
Did you have the screaming chicken on the hood?
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Post by: Frank N. O. on March 22, 2006, 05:22:56 PM
Screaming Chicken? I thought it was a Phoenix?
Great guest-posts in this topic :)
It can often be hard if one doesn't know the person in question to judge what his/her oppinion is so when someone reads such a really detailed analysis and fault-finding for a movie that's normally just entertainment then it can often be misunderstood that they didn't understand the true meaning but many people, including myself can see some fun in checking details without it ruining the movie for us, and of course also seeing it in contrast to what the purpose of the movie is, that's something one has to take into consideration, was it meant to be blasting entertainment, an authentic drama or just wacky? Top Gun is the first, Hot Shots the later and both are great fun imho, although Tom Cruises attitue lately is ruining it when I see his movies.
In the new version of Gone In 60 Seconds for instance it's a Chrysler startermotor when Eleanor is started, not a Ford-starter like all Mustang's Ford or Shelby has. The only real GT500 was however the one used for the sound, temporarily fitted with a x-flow sidepipe exhuast like the one displayed, but not used, on the several Eleanor moviecars. And when Memphis restarts Eleanor after she stalls after the floodcontrol scene, the one with the A-Star, then he's only using one hand although he needed two for the two tools used to activate the ignition lock originally but it's just a movie. I don't want to boost cars after seeing it, I do however want to drive and be around good responsible car-enthusiasts however.
Speaking of aviation action movies on this forum we've covered Top Gun, Hot Shots, Always, Fire Storm and Airwolf, but what about Blue Thunder?
Frank
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 22, 2006, 05:56:54 PM
It was supposed to be a phoenix on the hood of the Trans Am. Screaming Chicken is just a term of endearment. Like calling the A-10 Thunderbolt II a Warthog.
I guess my point about the movie mistakes site was that when all the mistakes are listed like they were, it gets really nit-picky. Especially when they find mistakes in spoof movies like Hot Shots and Naked Gun. It seemed to me that some of those people didn't have a sense of humor.
Never heard of Blue Thunder...
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Post by: Frank N. O. on March 22, 2006, 06:22:16 PM
Ah, thanks for the info.
About the movies then yes it can seem as nitpicking.
You what!?!? That is definately a surprising reply to my question, that's the one reply to the title I did not expect.
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 22, 2006, 06:40:40 PM
What's Blue Thunder about?
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Post by: Frank N. O. on March 22, 2006, 06:45:14 PM
I can't believe you don't know that movie. Anyhow, it's Roy Scheider and Maclolm MacDowel against each-other in a political conspiracy while test-flying a new super police-helicopter to be tested. Btw Special-1 (the official name for the helicopter, Blue Thunder is the nick-name) is actually a Gazelle with a new cockpit and one mother of a pilot-head-tracking canon that required counter-weights on the tail for the helicopter to manouvre for the movie.
Frank
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 22, 2006, 06:52:48 PM
Sounds interesting.
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Post by: msmfi on March 22, 2006, 10:14:10 PM
Hi Everybody! Sorry for entering the discussion so late, but ...have You ever seen "Aces High" (Directors: Jack Gold) ? That was the movie I remember from my childhood. ... "Battle of Britain" was the second one ....
And nowadays .... "Battle of Britain" thread in "Pearl Harbor" ...
Regards, Mirek
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Post by: Callisto on March 22, 2006, 11:58:27 PM
By the way, how many of you -after seeing the movie- ended up with a leather jacket full of badges?
Another question: Which is TOP GUN's scene that you like the most?
*ahem* But I was a kid! It had several patches on it. My mom probably has a picture of me in it. I wore it ALL the time. I was COOL! 8) ::) I was 9 when the movie came out... and I was 10-11 (ish) when I saw it for the first time. It's not like I wear it now... and NO it's not cause it doesn't fit any more...
Fav scene... anything with a F-14 in it. ;D
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Post by: Sleek-Jet on March 23, 2006, 03:19:09 PM
I can't believe you don't know that movie. Anyhow, it's Roy Scheider and Maclolm MacDowel against each-other in a political conspiracy while test-flying a new super police-helicopter to be tested. Btw Special-1 (the official name for the helicopter, Blue Thunder is the nick-name) is actually a Gazelle with a new cockpit and one mother of a pilot-head-tracking canon that required counter-weights on the tail for the helicopter to manouvre for the movie.
Frank
It was roughly paterened after the Apache, which I think it was supposed to be. Great movie.
JAFO... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: fireflyr on March 24, 2006, 10:34:57 AM
Chances are my boots have seen more action than any of you guy's jackets.
I don't know about your boots but my raggedy old jacket has been tossed around cockpits for over 40 years and about 12 thousand hours of that time is airborne---got a walking stick too that's seen the top of Mt Shasta (14,000 ft)and Wheeler Peak (13,000 ft), among others. Hiking/climbing is fantastic fun but the ultimate high is aviation---come give it a try, and by the way, Welcome to our world!!!!
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Post by: Bramzter on March 24, 2006, 02:36:38 PM
Thanks. Only time I was on a plane was in the passenger seat of a stunt aircraft. I loved it. But Independence Day kinda ruined my flying ambitions... perhaps I will give it a try. (either that or taking off without ever landing, aka 'skydiving'.) ::)
One can dream...
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 24, 2006, 04:42:58 PM
Independence Day the movie? How did that affect your flying?
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Post by: Mike on March 24, 2006, 05:17:28 PM
Independence Day the movie? How did that affect your flying?
Uhm..yeah...tell us! I don't remember Independence day affecting much of my life at all. I just thought it was funny that the aliens had their flight controls backwards....(stupid aliens :D)
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 24, 2006, 11:48:50 PM
Yeah...Stupid aliens...Travel all the way across the galaxy only to almost conquer Earth...dummies.
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Post by: Frank N. O. on March 25, 2006, 12:36:27 AM
Hi Everybody! Sorry for entering the discussion so late, but ...have You ever seen "Aces High" (Directors: Jack Gold) ? That was the movie I remember from my childhood. ... "Battle of Britain" was the second one ....
And nowadays .... "Battle of Britain" thread in "Pearl Harbor" ...
Regards, Mirek
Hi, I don't remember them off-hand but I might have seen them though, but then again we never had cable tv and growing up in Scandinavia we didn't get all US movies, besides in my childhood I preferred cartoons, like Gummi Bears and later Chip'n'Dale Rescue Rangers and Tale Spin (both had neat flying machines and other cool gadgets in them). I do remember a drama series about a WW1 flying squadron in England though.
Frank
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on March 25, 2006, 01:49:15 AM
Tailspin was awesome! ;D
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Post by: Turbomallard on March 25, 2006, 03:20:10 AM
Ha. I just remembered this... it's been a while. My roommate in college at the time the film came out, a grad student in literature, suggested the following ending to the film...
Charlie and Maverick are at the bar in very last scene... the music is building to a crescendo... the two are looking into each other's eyes, getting ready to kiss when--
The music abruptly STOPS. A figure appears in the doorway... it's Meg Ryan (Goose's widow, Carol). She turns to Maverick.
Carol: Maverick... I can't find Goose's dog tags in any of his personal effects... do you know where they are?
Maverick stiffens. Cut to black...
(If you remember, he threw them off the fantail of the Enterprise after his big dogfight in a symbolic gesture of letting Goose go.)
;D ;D ;D
TM
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Post by: fireflyr on March 26, 2006, 11:44:39 PM
On the aviation movie thread---Anyone other than me like "The Great Waldo Pepper"---I thought some of the scenes were fantastic! There was a lot of gut level "good ole boys" kind of flying which really shows how things have changed.
Even though I don't date back to those days, I have seen a C-182 buzzing down the main street at 100 feet, throwing flowers and pamphlets advertising an airshow. (Petaluma Ca, 1957--Justman Flying Service) There were no repercussions because people thought stuff like that was cool and the CAA (before FAA) didn't get their panties bunched up over an occasional well executed buzz job.----George Justman even had a routine where he dressed up as a drunk old chicken farmer and flew a Champ out of the county rodeo grounds after the "pilot" fell down after propping the plane, which started at full throttle with the old drunk "passenger" at the controls, the rodeo crowds loved it................
DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT, try that today, it is viewed entirely in another light in todays "scared" mentality.
Frank---sling or stuck wing is all just good natured ribbing (fun)---
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Post by: Mike on March 27, 2006, 12:44:11 AM
Pretty sad it's not like that anymore, huh?! 9/11 didn't help our cause either...
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Post by: SkyKing on March 28, 2006, 12:09:39 PM
Speaking of stuntflying then I read the guy in the Spitfire that nearly give that presenter a haircut also did stuntflying for old war-movies, like flying an old plane under a small bridge etc. but I can't remember his name, however I think to remember it said his son was also a stuntpilot. The Spitfire clip is in my permanent archive though :D
Ray Hanna. His son was Mark.
Sadly both now dead. Mark in a flying accident several years ago, Ray at home at the age of 77 (until then still display flying!) last December.
Astounding pilots the both of them.
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Post by: Frank N. O. on March 30, 2006, 07:25:50 PM
Ah, that sounds right from what I remember, too bad about his son, I hope they both rest in peace.
Thank you for the information.
Frank
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Post by: Mike on April 08, 2006, 10:30:50 PM
So I am sitting here in my little hotel room in Mena, Arkansas (a place with not much to do and unfortunately in a "dry county" :'( ) when I turn on the tube and guess what's on abc-family right now?!?!
and again I can't get myself to click away from the movie...
My girlfriend even bought me the soundtrack the other day 'cause I kept telling her about the topic in the forum and about what you guys were posting. Funny, huh?!
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Post by: Frank N. O. on April 09, 2006, 04:55:05 PM
Lol that's funny alright, I'm surprised you didn't have the sound-track already, I've had it for years and I don't have that many CD's (mainly due to money, secondly due to listening to old Amiga music-modules or the radio). It is tough sometimes to buy the classic music you really like to own because you like it so much, because normally old classics are on full price and all other songs on it are not interesting.
Frank
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Post by: Mike on April 10, 2006, 01:39:48 AM
actually I have had the soundtrack already. Owned it on tape for years. I don't think it still works it has been played so much, so I am glad she got me the CD. It also has more songs on it like "Sittn' on the dock of the bay" and all that stuff. It's great!!
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Post by: Frank N. O. on April 10, 2006, 08:04:27 PM
Ah, that explains it, I also didn't know there were more songs on the tape, I threw out my last tape (auudio and VHS video, almost 400 of the later, out some years ago, I did digitally record a goodnight story that I recorded of my dad when I was a kid though, the only voice recording I have, everything else are photographs).
Btw, I looked around for headset pictures and found a pilot-store and besides a the std. Remove Before Flight appearal including boxershorts and a tank-top which appeared to me to be aimed at females (thing straps) then there was a new twist on a popular item namely the licenseplate frame. Besides the classics: I'd rather be flying, and: My other car's an aircraft, then they listed their own favourite: Too close for misiles switching to guns. Now this has to be from Top Gun right? :D
Frank
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Post by: fireflyr on April 11, 2006, 02:10:13 AM
I'm still looking for a license plate frame that say's "If you don't fly------you aint S**t
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Post by: Frank N. O. on April 11, 2006, 06:50:08 PM
I just looked again at the About Us page and noticed a funny thing: At places like this Mike spends his hot summer nights. That's the title of one of the songs on the Top Gun Soundtrack, was that intentional or just a funny coincidence?
Fireflyr, you aint kidding, my mom and I had finished the last grocery shopping for this week and had an hour to spend until the ferry sailed home so I decided to take a quick trip to Roskilde Airport. A few kms before the airport the two lanes of the highway merges to one and we were a full lane on the right and cars still overtaking close to the mergepoint, then a small Honda SUV squeesed in front of us and a big Ford Transit rental-van (meaning probably not a skilled van-driver driving) did the same behind us but before they were more than half-way in our lane, the 3rd of 4th car ahead slowed down on the righthand lane to a near full stop since there's no hard-shoulder but marker-posts but since we were so tight, and sadly squeezed together at both ends we had to stand hard on the brakes but thanks to van right behind us I had to release a bit to make I didn't any faster than absolutely needed since the van was even closer behind than the suv was in front of us! The headlights of the van are above the bottom edge of the rear-window so with one eye I saw that big right-hand headlight and in front us the back end of the suv, that was some fast and very precise stopping there to avoid both rear-ending another car, and getting rear-ended. From sailing on the ferry I can say that the van was at most 3 1/2 ft from our bumper, with a initial speed of 80 kph, and actually both cars merged a bit before the actual lanes merged but with cars already behind and in front I couldn't do much about re-establishing a safety distance, but I managed to brake presicely as much as needed and it didn't seem anyone got hit, but man that's the closest and biggest call yet in my driving career that'll soon hit the 10 year mark.
And then at the airport seeing a Seneca (I think), a Piper single and a Tomahawk too I think taking off from the airport And just turning at the parkinglot and seeing a Tomahawk and a Tobaco on the grass-strip and two other Piper single's and a Skyhawk the hangar-space on the other side, and another more modern low-wing single taking off and swerving directly over the car when we drove back towards the highway, man those pilots that flew today in the reasonably nice VFR conditions were so lucky!
I think Leo said it best: "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."
— Leonardo da Vinci
If anyone is going to EKRK then please tell me, even just to say hi and let me get a chance to just stand near a plane again, that would be great. Man I wish I was in California, but maybe someday, I'm still young, the say.
Frank
P.S. I tried re-writting the incident-report several times to make it as concise as possible.
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Post by: fireflyr on April 12, 2006, 02:22:54 AM
Frank.....................I ain't kidding!! Damn ,son, if you want to fly, come to the US, we know how to get things done! You want to learn to fly? Then get your skinny ass over here next winter, pay for the airplane, and I'll teach you for nothing!!!---your move----
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on April 12, 2006, 02:54:57 AM
It's a hell of a lot cheaper over here...And free dual? Can't beat that!
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Post by: Mike on April 13, 2006, 03:17:17 AM
I just looked again at the About Us page and noticed a funny thing: At places like this Mike spends his hot summer nights. That's the title of one of the songs on the Top Gun Soundtrack, was that intentional or just a funny coincidence?
Hmmm. . . . My brother wrote that. I need to check with him. If it was intentional then I never caught on to it. Cool though!! ;)
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Post by: Turbomallard on June 30, 2006, 04:41:49 AM
Top Gun on a low budget... but with the same camera movements (and very well choreographed!)
Frank.....................I ain't kidding!! Damn ,son, if you want to fly, come to the US, we know how to get things done! You want to learn to fly? Then get your skinny ass over here next winter, pay for the airplane, and I'll teach you for nothing!!!---your move----
I just read this message under the topic and well, Frank, if you haven't caught the offer yet, catch it! I'm sure that you are going to have a terrific instructor and have a lot of fun. Mates, it's gorgeous to see the kind of solid friendship that this forum creates. :) :) Looks like flight is a glue stronger than anything else and well, Fireflyr's offer is just unbeatable! Once again, I'm impressed!
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Post by: Frank N. O. on July 02, 2006, 10:03:58 AM
I haven't caught it yet, and not sure if I'll ever be able to since I simply don't have an in-come that'll allow me to travel to and live in California even though it's my dream-destination, I don't have much left here in DK and some of the best people I know live in California or nearby that, both from Chicken Wings and from the other forum I frequent, including my best friend Cheyenne.
If anyone knows some basic C++ programming and can answer a few simple questions then please say so since I'm starting from scratch again to make sure I'm not missing anything and I've found my thing that needs an answer that isn't in any of the 6 books I bought so far (that btw comes near the amount of money I think Jim said the plane hire would be though but some were bought in 2000 when I started engineering college, but I had to drop out after the death of my dad became too much and that was just the start of a long trip to figure out how the world and myself worked, that trip is however nearing the end where I can start going out into the world but there's a big step that prevents the start).
Frank
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Post by: madpilot44 on July 08, 2006, 01:03:59 AM
hey frank, sorry for the delay, but I'm going into C++ this semester, so if I can do anything to help, I'll be happy to. (it would have to be pretty basic 'cause I just started the semester this week, but I'll try to get you an answer)
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Post by: Frank N. O. on July 08, 2006, 01:26:47 PM
Thank you very much for the offer, I appreciate it. I've gotten some basic things answered by another programmer in this thread here http://www.racerplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15917 Racerplanet, based around racing-games especially the old but still classic NFS Porshe Unleashed/2000 is the only other forum I frequent and there are some nice people there even if it's quieted down recently, especially with the latest NFS-games which are not at all inline with the old-school classics.
I have been improving however and have gotten started in Visual C++ Express 2005 that was free to download and register at MS recently, before that I used the freeware program DevC++ but I'm trying MS' now since it's much newer and the license even allows for commercial products to be made with it. I'm also learning a lot about physics, and that can both be used for driving and flying games and it's actually real life physics you learn both in theory and how to do calculations from it so it's great stuff to learn for several areas of interest:)
Best wishes for your classes |:)\
Frank
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Post by: undatc on February 04, 2007, 02:55:40 AM
I watch this movie at least once a month. Although It isnt what got me into aviation, it probably was my first exposure to it, and the underlying thing that drove my passion. And yes, I can recite every line, and I often quote them too, GREAT BALLS OF FIRE, AH HA!
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Post by: FlyboyGil on February 12, 2007, 07:35:08 PM
And about one of the best scenes: The need to buzz the tower is engrained in every aviator! Is it because of Top Gun???
Steve McQueen did it first in "The War Lover". He buzzed the tower without even asking permission. It was in a B-17 though, but still enough to knock over everything on the C.O.'s desk!
I think Steve McQueen influenced the Top Gun Movie
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Post by: Mike on February 13, 2007, 05:31:43 PM
HA!
Now I wonder if they saw the movie w/ Steve McQueen and went "that's a great scene, let's make a movie where they do this in an F-14" and then they went and invented the rest of the movie around it..... ;)
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Post by: FlyboyGil on February 13, 2007, 07:52:29 PM
Now I wonder if they saw the movie w/ Steve McQueen and went "that's a great scene, let's make a movie where they do this in an F-14" and then they went and invented the rest of the movie around it..... ;)
LOL! They should've. Who made a better Maverick/rebel than Steve McQueen?
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Post by: digits on February 13, 2007, 10:08:42 PM
i ordered the dvd a week ago. within a few days i should have it. can't wait to see it *again* :)
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Post by: happylanding on February 14, 2007, 08:07:20 AM
And about one of the best scenes: The need to buzz the tower is engrained in every aviator! Is it because of Top Gun???
Steve McQueen did it first in "The War Lover". He buzzed the tower without even asking permission. It was in a B-17 though, but still enough to knock over everything on the C.O.'s desk!
I think Steve McQueen influenced the Top Gun Movie
Here's the link to McQueen Buzzing the tower. Enjoy! :)
Also has that famous scene of a B-17 making a Belly Landing!
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Post by: Gulfstream Driver on May 16, 2007, 04:29:04 PM
I liked the top turret's expression through that fly-by.
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Post by: Frank N. O. on May 16, 2007, 04:42:45 PM
I've never seen that movie but am I right in thinking that between the title and the job of the actor that the star of the movie is a person with a very unstable mentality?
Frank
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Post by: FlyboyGil on May 16, 2007, 08:05:33 PM
I've never seen that movie but am I right in thinking that between the title and the job of the actor that the star of the movie is a person with a very unstable mentality?
Frank
If you get a chance to see the Movie "The War Lover" Yeah he has a very unstable personality. Best line in the movie (not in the clips)
When asked if enjoys England. Mcqueens Response "I enjoy my work" "Your'e work?" Asked back
"Lady I am part of the most destructive force the world has ever known. That's my work." ::loony:: ::loony:: ::loony::
I don't think anyone could've played that role better than Steve McQueen. The Maverick of WW2 movies!
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Post by: FlyboyGil on August 28, 2007, 09:45:40 PM
Hmm ::thinking:: ::thinking:: is this anyone here?
