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Offline Baradium

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Blowing up engines!
« on: November 29, 2006, 08:02:07 PM »
I posted this inside another thread in the general discussion forum, but I'm going to be getting more info over the next days and weeks so this would be a good time to start a thread on it!

Yesterday one of my room mates, who flies for another company, had the joy of a full fledged engine failure on a PT-6 on a 1900 (same type of plane I fly).   Above 80 kts on the takeoff roll #1 engine lost power and (according to passengers) started shooting 5' or better flames out of the exhaust (lapping against the fuselage).   Details on what exactly caused the failure will follow over the next weeks or months as they get a chance to examine it.   Unfortunately for their MX, the aircraft is at an airport without a hanger they can use, so they will have to do an engine swap in the snow and associated cold.  This is that company's only 1900, so it will be a week or two before they have it back operational.  A comment was made that autofeather did not work in this case.

Fortunately for them, it didn't happen in any of the gravel strips they go into, which would have made for even more fun from the replacing the engine standpoint.

I was given an opportunity to look over the aircraft on the ground in Galena (where the failure happened) and made some observations.   

1)  The formerly clean fuselage has soot along the side (not unusual for a 1900, but I seemed to remember this one still beeing pretty clean before this).

2)  The prop is locked up tight.  This is a bad sign on a free turbine engine, where the prop should always turn freely.  I suspect that this might be why autofeather didn't work.  If the rest of the engine was still trying to spin and the prop was either jammed or encountering very heavy ressistance, there wouldn't be power from the prop but autofeather would still sense torque applied.

3)  There are pieces of metal in the exhaust.  Most, if not all, of the pieces look like they were either molten or very soft when they came out of the exhaust.  Some of them are flat out puddled in droplets.


There are no signs externally of the failure, without getting a look in the exhaust or being able to try moving the prop (no holes in the cowlings etc).   


And of course there was the obligatory passenger who wouldn't stop screaming.  ;)
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Re: Blowing up engines!
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2006, 02:48:35 AM »
I know it'll be outside but it shouldn't take too long to swap out the prop and engine. In our shop with Ideal conditions, 2-3 guys can swap out a PT6 in about a day on a King Air. In the cold (if they rig a tent of some kind and use some salamander heaters in there) once they have the engine and prop on location, it should be about a 2-3 day job. I saw the earlier post and one of our mechanics who used to work on 1900's (in Alaska) said that a 2-3 day swapout was feasible.


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Re: Blowing up engines!
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2006, 08:05:31 AM »
To make their day more fun,  the navajo driver sent to pick them up had more problems.

1)  The first plane he tried to take, the heater didn't work (kind of important at the altitudes they go to, especially considering ground temperatures).

2)  The second plane lost a vacuum pump on the takeoff roll so he had to abort.

3)  By the time they got back to Fairbanks, I'd:  Left galena, gotten to fairbanks, had an hour break where I ate dinner in Fairbanks, flew to Anchorage, flew back from Anchorage, and was within 10 minutes out.
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Re: Blowing up engines!
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2006, 07:51:02 AM »
Ouch!  Bad day for the boys in the purple planes!  ;) 

But then the last time I rode on one of their Navajos I had to get the pilot's attention to point out a badly leaking fuel cap shortly after take-off in hard IMC.  What's really scary was that we were going to "try shooting the approch and Bettles and fly underneath to Huges".  Would have been all kinds of interesting to do a missed approch at Bettles and not have fuel to get to an alternate huh?

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Re: Blowing up engines!
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2006, 01:07:03 AM »
The Warbelos 1900 followed us home last night... can we keep it?  ;)

They ended up getting the plane back in the air again fairly quickly.
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Re: Blowing up engines!
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2006, 01:18:25 AM »
Lol, good one. Good to hear they got the repairs done quickly :)

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Re: Blowing up engines!
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2006, 05:22:18 AM »
The Warbelos 1900 followed us home last night... can we keep it?  ;)

They ended up getting the plane back in the air again fairly quickly.

I'd always assumed they'd bought one of Frontiers old ones in the first place?  |:)\

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Re: Blowing up engines!
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2006, 06:08:22 AM »

I'd always assumed they'd bought one of Frontiers old ones in the first place?  |:)\

Phil

Haha, they bought it from the Hendrix racing franchise actually.  ;)

Guess they decided to upgrade.
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In a world that keeps on pushin' me around
But I stand my ground, and I won't back down"
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