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Re: Name that plane!
« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2006, 03:20:57 AM »
Quote from: fireflyr on October 04, 2006, 02:43:12 AM


So yeah, a second engine that'd at least stretch the glide a bit sounds like a very nice thing to me. ;)


Yeah, it'll get you all the way to the crash site.  |:)\
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Re: Name that plane!
« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2006, 04:48:10 AM »
bah....

with a twin you got all these DECISIONS.....bad for the blood pressure.....

with a single you only got to figure out where to crash/land  ;D
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« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2006, 05:24:43 AM »
I thought that there were versions of the skymasters with enough horsepower to perform pretty well single engine.  They don't have nearly the amount of power loss from a conventional twin due to the centerline thrust part at least.

There's also a turbine version with the rear engine removed for more cargo space IIRC.

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Re: Name that plane!
« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2006, 02:33:34 PM »
Quote from: Baradium on October 05, 2006, 05:24:43 AM
I thought that there were versions of the skymasters with enough horsepower to perform pretty well single engine.  They don't have nearly the amount of power loss from a conventional twin due to the centerline thrust part at least.

There's also a turbine version with the rear engine removed for more cargo space IIRC.



While the centerline thrust concept does away with assymetrical engine problems, the fact still remains that is when you lose 50% of your power you also lose 80-90% of your performance.  The Skymaster has a fairly high accident rate stemming from the misconception that it's a no-brainer to lose an engine.  A twin with an engine out needs special attention no matter where the engines are located and needs to be trained for just like any twin!      It is very dangerous to think this airplane will not bite you in the event of an engine failure.    Normally asperated 337s have a single engine cieling of about 7,000 feet with the front engine caged and about 5,000 feet with the rear feathered.   The turbocharged models have cielings of 13,000 and 15,000 respectively---you will notice by those numbers that the rear engine is much more efficient because of aerodynamics.
As far as load carrying ability, well, if you want to fill all four seats and carry 100 lbs of baggage then you better only have 2 hours of fuel onboard, and even then, if you pop one on rotation on a warm day, you better be planning on landing off airport! ;)
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Re: Name that plane!
« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2006, 02:50:39 PM »
I've had 4 engine failures in twins; 1 each Aztec and AeroCommander 680 and 2 in a C337. Of the 4, the one in the Mixmaster gave me the biggest scare and came the closest to landing off airport.

The hardest thing about them is detecting the loss of the REAR engine and by the time I realized it, I didn't get the prop feathered in time. This gave me a real tense 5 minutes before I finally got the damn thing restarted. I watched the gauges like a hawk after that and caught it when it failed AGAIN! Since I was near an airport I managed to land OK and had it checked. Turned out that the ignition harness had shorts in it.
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Re: Name that plane!
« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2006, 03:14:58 PM »
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Turned out that the ignition harness had shorts in it.

I hate it when my shorts get caught in the ignition.  :P

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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2006, 12:42:07 PM »
Quote from: FB41 on October 05, 2006, 02:50:39 PM
I've had 4 engine failures in twins; 1 each Aztec and AeroCommander 680 and 2 in a C337. Of the 4, the one in the Mixmaster gave me the biggest scare and came the closest to landing off airport.

The hardest thing about them is detecting the loss of the REAR engine and by the time I realized it, I didn't get the prop feathered in time. This gave me a real tense 5 minutes before I finally got the damn thing restarted. I watched the gauges like a hawk after that and caught it when it failed AGAIN! Since I was near an airport I managed to land OK and had it checked. Turned out that the ignition harness had shorts in it.
Surest way to detect an engine out in the 337 is to watch the fuel flow guages and ALWAYS lead power up with the rear engine.
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Re: Name that plane!
« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2006, 05:40:47 AM »
Uh, I wondered where my shorts went... May I have them back now?
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Re: Name that plane!
« Reply #53 on: October 09, 2006, 12:50:03 AM »
Ok, time for a new plane!

I'll give you one hint:  A plane of this type is shown briefly in the old Disney movie "The Boatniks"

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« Reply #54 on: October 09, 2006, 02:35:15 AM »
Stinson L-1?


...and watch out for the salami torpedo...



Now, how about this one?
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Re: Name that plane!
« Reply #55 on: October 09, 2006, 02:51:23 AM »
Quote from: velojym on October 09, 2006, 02:35:15 AM
Stinson L-1?


Got it in 1!

Man, this is a tough group to stump!

Hmmm.....give me a minute here.....

Ok, this one is in parts and pieces so it'll be a little tougher, as well as being a somewhat obscure aircraft.



This is part of a museum collection, but unless you know they got it, you don't get to see it.  Plane has a lot of historical significance in Alaska.  They got the wings and tailfeathers covered, and the engine has had a full rebuild.  It just needs covered and all the hundreds of little details to make it perfect.  Museum is out of money, but has some surplus C-123 parts they'd love to sell!
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« Reply #56 on: October 09, 2006, 02:52:39 AM »
That movie is waaaaay before my time.    :P


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« Reply #57 on: October 09, 2006, 02:59:01 AM »
Is that the same type as the one in the airport hanging from the ceiling?
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Re: Name that plane!
« Reply #58 on: October 09, 2006, 03:25:31 AM »
Ooh, harder to tell without skin. Travelair, perhaps?


I think this one's been done on the board before, but it's so purty I'll toss it up again.
And yes, this has recently flown.  8)

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« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2006, 06:12:25 AM »
velojym.... I feel like I've seen that nose before on another aircraft before.... can't place it though...
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