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Offline Baradium

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Aircraft Identification
« on: September 12, 2006, 06:23:39 AM »
Alright folks,  a question was posed to me today by a non pilot aircraft enthusiast.  He swears he saw an aircraft fitting this discriiption 2 day ago from the ground.

It's a single engine piston with a front end similiar to a cessna 172,  the fuselage looked normal to him except instead of a normal tail it had a twin tail like a Beech 18.  This wasn't a 336/337, he knows them, it was single boom and not twin boom. 

Anyone have any idea?  I havn't a clue.   He also said it wasn't an ercoup...  he asked if I could help try to figure out what it is because he's infinitely curious about it since he hadn't seen one before.


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Re: Aircraft Identification
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2006, 02:13:47 PM »
Quote from: Baradium on September 12, 2006, 06:23:39 AM
Alright folks,  a question was posed to me today by a non pilot aircraft enthusiast.  He swears he saw an aircraft fitting this discriiption 2 day ago from the ground.

It's a single engine piston with a front end similiar to a cessna 172,  the fuselage looked normal to him except instead of a normal tail it had a twin tail like a Beech 18.  This wasn't a 336/337, he knows them, it was single boom and not twin boom. 

Anyone have any idea?  I havn't a clue.   He also said it wasn't an ercoup...  he asked if I could help try to figure out what it is because he's infinitely curious about it since he hadn't seen one before.


-Ryan
OH OH, Looks like somebody parked a 172 and am Erpcup to close together on one of them looooooong Alaskan nights............... ;D
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Re: Aircraft Identification
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2006, 02:18:13 PM »
LOL good one. Btw Jim "quote"  (without the quotes, also known as goose-eyes in danish, and with those square brackets) starts the quote text and "/quote" ends the frame. You can enter your text under that, or seperate the quotes if there are several questions/statements to comment/answer. Just trying to help, not to act as a know-it-all!

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Re: Aircraft Identification
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2006, 02:31:48 PM »
Thanks Frank--I know that but I guess being as "experienced" as I am---well, I just get confused with these here computer thingys!!!! :-\
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Re: Aircraft Identification
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2006, 05:19:54 PM »
Was it a V tail Bonanza?  Did he maybe get "twin tail" and "V-tail" mixed up?  Also, what about a...umm....darn it there's one sitting on east ramp that Tundra sent me a pic of.  Just one row over from where he used to park the Tundra Toy. 
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Re: Aircraft Identification
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2006, 06:33:49 PM »
Quote from: cj5_pilot on September 12, 2006, 05:19:54 PM
Was it a V tail Bonanza?  Did he maybe get "twin tail" and "V-tail" mixed up?  Also, what about a...umm....darn it there's one sitting on east ramp that Tundra sent me a pic of.  Just one row over from where he used to park the Tundra Toy. 

He said it was exactly like a Beech 18 but not as wide.  I'll ask, but he seemed to have a pretty good idea of different aircraft designs.  His hobby is spotting aircraft and he knew some fairly obscure types I suggested.
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Re: Aircraft Identification
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2006, 09:29:53 PM »
what about this? I'm not sure it fits entirely your description, but I give a try....  :)

http://www.fly-net.org/aeromedia/lb1029.jpg
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Re: Aircraft Identification
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2006, 09:43:18 PM »
Hehe, that looks like what Jim calls a Mixmaster but I think it was already said it wasn't a 337 or any other twin-boom plane but twin tail, which I take it means two rudders/vertical stabilizers, one on each end of the horizontal stabilizer. Btw, didn't he say it had the front of a Cessna? Does that mean it was a high-wing aircraft?

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Re: Aircraft Identification
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2006, 10:04:06 PM »
Quote from: Frank N. O. on September 12, 2006, 09:43:18 PM
Hehe, that looks like what Jim calls a Mixmaster but I think it was already said it wasn't a 337 or any other twin-boom plane but twin tail, which I take it means two rudders/vertical stabilizers, one on each end of the horizontal stabilizer. Btw, didn't he say it had the front of a Cessna? Does that mean it was a high-wing aircraft?

Frank

That's what I thought he meant, but he said it definately wasn't a skymaster and no twin booms.   And yes, two vertical stabs on each end of the horizontal.

Front of a cessna, seemed to mean high wing (dont' remember if I actually asked that), but include low wings if you know of any.


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Re: Aircraft Identification
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2006, 11:41:56 PM »
Might have been one of these  http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1090560/L/ the Max Holste Brousard (kind like a French DH Beaver)

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Re: Aircraft Identification
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2006, 12:09:50 AM »
How about this:



It's a Bellanca something or other
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Re: Aircraft Identification
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2006, 02:53:32 AM »
Ahhhh.. a Belanca Cruisemaster  AKA the "Cardboard Connie"

Hey.... is that Fairbanks Airport?

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Re: Aircraft Identification
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2006, 02:59:35 AM »
It's Fairbanks alright, real close to where Tundra used to park the Toy.  A couple hundred yards from Tamarack. Tundra sent me this shot and another from further away.
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Re: Aircraft Identification
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2006, 04:52:16 AM »
I had considered one of the Bellanca models, but it isn't a high-wing.
Perhaps as experimental of some sort? I know the CompAir 12 has twin vertical tails and a high wing.
There were also some factory Cessna-ish planes like the Lark, but I don't think their tails were unconventional.
Did Bellanca make a high-wing?

Is it a taildragger, or trigear?
If it's fabric (like a Bellanca) you should be able to make out some structure under the covering.
Two or three verticals?

Could it be...

http://www.warbirdalley.com/mh1521.htm
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Re: Aircraft Identification
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2006, 05:03:37 AM »
I'm very confused here ???

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It's a single engine piston with a front end similiar to a cessna 172,

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He said it was exactly like a Beech 18 but not as wide.

A Beech 18 is a radial engine twin  ???  However, there was a turbine conversion tri gear version at FAI last week.

There's also an old Cessna "Bamboo Bomber" in town for the summer.  Last I heard it was parked in a hanger about 500ft down the runway from me.  Bright Yellow as I recall.

The Bellanca Cruisair in the photo is a derilict, hasn't flown in many years and is no where near airworthy these days.

So what are we trying to identify exactly?  A classic twin like a Beech 18, or a high wing single engine like a C-172?

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