Author Topic: How come a ticket from Denmark to California costs so much?  (Read 10494 times)

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I've been researching taking a visit to USA, especially know I have several people that I could say hi to but the ticket-prices of British Airways are extreme, you can almost buy a car for it, even with danish registration tax. Other concerns include rumours of dry air, how narrow the shoulder/elæbow-room (I'm wide-shouldered besides having put on weight) and for my low height I got long legs, plus weak knee joints so I need leg-room, my mom did say there was longer leg-room at the front seats when she flew but no idea if that's still the case. Also I'm not quite sure how much noise there is or if it's possible to work with a laptop computer anywhere on a modern plane.

On a side-note, I also found out that it's impossible to get a compact sedan (preferably a Ford Focus) with a manual transmission, which is a problem since I can't drive a automatic and I want to have as much control as possible, especially when driving in a foreign country even if I'd aim for the beautiful scenic drives I'd still need to visit cities, especially to check out how/where to shop for groceries, banking etc.

Frank
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Re: How come a ticket from Denmark to California costs so much?
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2006, 08:14:26 PM »
Hi Frank! Well, I can't help you with the ticket prices... I always wondered myself, why it is cheaper to take non-direct flights. Vienna - London - Tokyo is way cheaper than Vienna -Tokyo. Where's the logic behind that?

But what I CAN help you with is to find a good seat! You can usually reserve a seat if you call the airline in advance. I think it might depend on the airline though. As soon as you have your ticket, you can find out the plane type and then research the best seat here: http://www.seatguru.com/. I usually do that and then at the check in counter say "Can I sit at seat No. 23 A please?"... Usually it works out!! ;)

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Re: How come a ticket from Denmark to California costs so much?
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2006, 09:18:36 PM »
It is because of the distance between the two locations probably - fuel cost, and ofcourse then theres the ,,i'm too lazy factor''

The leg space ? Boy, have i NEVER had that problem :P i have NEVER ever ever flewn a public airplane....only army airplanes like Hercules and AN's.....plenty of room there for me....and me parachute :)

The car ? I had the problem...i love manual....
But i had to rent a automatical one...took me some time to get used to it (it is COMFORTABLE!)
I kept on hitting the spot where the (add the thing that is with the Accelerator and Brake...can't remember the word....)
was supposed to be...and my friend looked at me like i was crazy (well, he didn't guess wrong, now did he ? :P)

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Re: How come a ticket from Denmark to California costs so much?
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2006, 10:35:28 PM »
You probably already know these pages, but let's see...it could be that they help:

www.lowcost.com/flights/en/
www.lastminute.com
www.cheapflights.com

If I'm not wrong KLM was doing a special package to fly business: something called business fullflex or alike. give a glance to the homepage.
Annd about the car, no worries. automatic is no pain. you'd need half a second to get accustomed. I think you can ask fr a small car, but the size of a small car in the US doesn't compare to our small cars. I remember a friend of mine told me once that he used to ask for a small one, knowing he was going to the US with 4 people and the car was enough to sit 5....And whatever company you ever chose to fly to the states, do not try Italian charters: there is absolutely no room, they treat you like a pig, and after 1 hr flight there is no more toilet paper in the loo and everything stinks...! I always think one would find more confortable flying in a DHL cargo, among the packages and parcels (would it be possible? I always wondered....).
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Re: How come a ticket from Denmark to California costs so much?
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2006, 03:41:24 AM »
Holy cow Frank!
Your worries about an automatic transmission are not worth thinking about----control?  If you want to go, press the gas--if you want to stop, press the brake!  Do people in other countries actually think Americans don't know how to drive manual transmissions?---if that's a fact, I'm going to go to bed tonight wondering what other misconceptions the world has of us----MY God, I'm flabbergasted!!!!! ???

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Re: How come a ticket from Denmark to California costs so much?
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2006, 09:35:00 AM »
Jim, I meant my own control over the car. I'm a driving-enthusiast and my concentration and confidence depends on me being in sync with the car I'm driving. I know there are people that can get into anything from an old FIAT 500 to a Ferrari Enzo and drive it fast and on the limit within minutes but I can't, but I don't mind that really, I'm happy enough with 90's Fords, just sad to find out the US-versions were modified so much, especially in areas that were important to me, for comparisom, the Contour/Mystique had a heavier slope on the rear half of the roof and a new rear-window which means the roof is deeper into the rear-view mirror, and the sloping rear-end has a much smaller trunk-volume over the Mondeo too, despite being overall longer. The seats now have step-adjustment over the back-inclination isntead of a wheel and I got back-problems so I'd much appreciate the wheel-adjustment isntead, which euro-Fords have had for decades btw. The plastic-type used in USA is clearly a different type that clearly doesn't like as nice as the orignal Mondeo's and since you drive inside the car that's more important to me than how the exterior looks. Furthermore the suspension-rates are much softer than the Mondeo and the 206 I'm driving now is already too soft to the point in floats a bit and that confuses my balance, plus makes me a bit carsick. Comfort me for me is not that the car does it all and doesn't tell me (total sound-proofing, no vibration from the engine, electronic dampers, electronic powersteering etc.).

The trip was supposed to be a pleasure-trip, experiencing nice roads and fantastic nature scenery just not possible in Denmark as well as visiting nice people, but driving a car I don't feel I have control over will cause me concern that will lay in the back of my head, and with the stories of road-rage and the knowledge of how big a "normal" US pick-up or SUV is in the rear-view mirror then it'd be best overall to drive a car I could drive without having to think about it.

Happy: I didn't know those sites, but they don't seem to work for Copenhagen, or rather it's probably me that doesn't use them right.

In any case, I looked at my books and I can see that even if I saved up for a year I'd barely have for the plane ticket itself so I have to scrap the idea and start saving for a place to live and a car in DK, but that would require a bank-loan that would take half a decade at least to pay off so I'm sorry but it's impossible, this forum will have to be my only connection to the world. You see, after my dad died and me and my mom had to live on our own, I eventually got so depressed I had to drop out of engineering-college and I never regained the position and for the last year and a half I've been on permanent disability retirement, until recently thinking it was forever, only the last year did I finally get peace of mind to really sit down and think thrue how I worked and how the world worked, but I also know that with my attention to detail and not jumping into anything without prepared, since I've got experience that it'll lead to failure, then I can't just take any job, and 4 years of depression have lead to a weight increase that combined with a damaged knee (snapped out of place when getting into the 206) bad knees in general (rough backside of the kneecap, can't be medically cured and prevents me from lifting with my knees or crawling without doing permanent and very painful and imidiate damage), a bad back from a heavy decrease in muscle-strength from just sitting at home makes it all but impossible to take any job, plus my health and the worries partly over the mom's health and partly over my dreams plus the heat from a badly built house makes it impossible for me to sleep at regular hours so I can't guarantee to meet up in the morning precisely every day, this was one of many reasons as to why I tried to program games, but everyone I asked says that even a simple game takes a full team 1-2 years to make, and I don't have a team and with my mom's impending switch from disability pension to normal retirement which means a decrease in income, I need to save up for my own home, and due to my health I need a car too, and they are 3x as expensive here as in USA, plus it's hard to find one without a trailer hook or rust.

Well we gotta go shopping now to buy in bulk on sale to save money overall, due to the ferry and the distances that'll take most of the day.

Frank
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Re: How come a ticket from Denmark to California costs so much?
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2006, 09:53:42 AM »
Do people in other countries actually think Americans don't know how to drive manual transmissions?---if that's a fact, I'm going to go to bed tonight wondering what other misconceptions the world has of us----MY God, I'm flabbergasted!!!!! ???

to reassure you, Fireflyr, I do not think so and I see that while I was writing Frank already wrote you a reply.... but it could be interesting to see all the misconceptions that arise on people coming from different countries: two weeks ago I was in Sardinia (that's an hour of flight away from where I live, in Italy). a waiter, at the evening, was asking me r...e....a....l...l...y......s....l....o...w...l...y....what a wanted to eat. I was looking at him - as you say flabbergasted (thanks, nice new word in my vocabulary!) - and replied as usual. He looked puzzled and told me ........g....o....o....d.......y...o...u.......s.....p.....e....a....k......w.....e....l....l........i.....t....a....l....i....a....n....b....u....t.....a....r....e....n....t....y....o....u....s....w....i...s....s....d...o....n....t.....y....o....u....u...s....u....a...l...l....y....s...p...e....a....k....s...w....i....s....s....?  ??? ::) :P :(

So, we are a country where we speak mainly 3 different languages: italian, french and german (that's the only more or less swiss, since it's quite peculiar) and a real minority (around 1%) speaks a fourth that's a really old kind of dialect. But there is no swiss language, it doesn't simply exist! And well, after the several experiences I had in Sardinia, I'd say that it is one of the typical places that, when you go, you find people thinking that a swiss must come down of the mountains and still lives with cows in a small chalet in the alps, preparing chocolate and cockoo clocks! ;) ;) ;)
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Re: How come a ticket from Denmark to California costs so much?
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2006, 10:47:44 AM »
Frank,

I could notice from several posts you made that you're an ambitious man and you have tons of dreams that give you sparks. If your health prevents you from doing any muscular job, why don't you try anything in offices? You speak 5 languages if I remember it well, you use a computer without any restraint, I'm pretty sure you can find something that gives you the opportunity to start earning (lately there is also the chance to work at home, using a internet connection...have you already tried this way?), and as soon as you have some safety net with it, you can start again engineering college or whatever you will have in mind.

I did my last exam (and not only the last one!) at university without the given preparation, back in January. I was risking everything to present my PhD at the end of April and not in July. As soon as I went to the exam, the prof asked me a question about a subject I had to read but did not (neither a line), since it sounded (among the boring ones) incredibly boring. thanks to the same question, the person before me had failed and clearly had a fairly better preparation than me.  If I had reasoned that I had to do it in the best way, I would have told him "see, I will meet you in April, I'm not prepared enough!". On the contrary, I relaxed, smiled, and told him "listen, it was sooooo incredibly boring the subject, that I skipped the chapter, completely. but since it's my last exam, I'll let you decide if I've to spend 6 more months here for this only chapter". He was completely taken by surprise and began laughing and asked me "so, maam, you do not know anything about it?". "Honestly? NO. But I know the other chapters enough to pass the exam (ehm uhm!!!)  and gain 6 months of time". He thought about it a minute and then told me...."okay. You've 1 minute to convince me that you're prepared enough, telling me the way the taxation system works in italy, the different kind of taxes, how they're calculated....blablabla". Briefly, I passed the exam (and neither with the minimum but a 23/30). I see the problems you have, but I'm pretty sure you've enough strenght to overcome them, even if slowly, but first of all you must not be scared. You do not have to think about the fact you have to do always everything in the perfect way: otherwise you will simply never feel ready enough until you're an expert and you cannot become and expert until you've not practiced (since you've all the theory but no practical experience). If you keep thinking that way you'll never try and never find the ways to try, feeling yourself not ready yet. Just try! Like diving: do not think, just jump! Sometimes it's better than any preparation, sometimes not. But even with the best preparation you never have the certainity that that place will be yours, so it's better to jump and try than wait to jump at the best moment. And jumping, you'll give a chance to the "chance goddess", to look for you  :) ;) :)! Maybe I'm wrong but I always think that life is quite bitchy and the only solution to get the best out of it, is to fight, even knowing that you could lose than not to fight until you're ready to kill the incredible Hulk.
Take care!  :) :) :)

PS. I'm desperately trying to write it in the best possible way, and I keep modifying it. Oh gosh, sorry! Just a last quick note:  well, it's not easy to go into a job unprepared, but sometimes it's the only chance left...
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Re: How come a ticket from Denmark to California costs so much?
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2006, 09:28:48 AM »
Hey Frank, try www.flygtorget.se or google for cheap flights in Danish, I found ticket prices from Copenhagen to Los angeles for 4500 kronor + taxes 1500-2000 kronor depending on route, don't know the exchange rate to Danish kronor but would gues it is similar... You can get a car for that but I wouldn't want to drive it!

Remove a zero on those prices for Euro conversion, really crappy exchange rate but would probably give you the correct price in this overvalued currency...

Automatic transmission is BORING!!! Never want to drive one of those if I have to!
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Re: How come a ticket from Denmark to California costs so much?
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2006, 10:31:12 AM »
... you find people thinking that a swiss must come down of the mountains and still lives with cows in a small chalet in the alps, preparing chocolate and cockoo clocks! ;) ;) ;)

WHAT?! You don't do that anymore?!?!  ;D

Holy cow Frank!
Your worries about an automatic transmission are not worth thinking about----control? If you want to go, press the gas--if you want to stop, press the brake! Do people in other countries actually think Americans don't know how to drive manual transmissions?---if that's a fact, I'm going to go to bed tonight wondering what other misconceptions the world has of us----MY God, I'm flabbergasted!!!!! ???

Yes, it's maybe hard to explain to someone who is so used to automatic transmission, but you really do have more control with a manual. The only time I prefer automatic is in the really slow stop and go traffic of a major traffic jam. Back in the army I learned to drive trucks with really old Steyr 680s, without synchronized gear! You had to "double-clutch" (I think it's the right word...) i.e. hit the gas between shifting gear, in order to get the gearwheels into the right speed... Ha, that was fun! You really get a feel for the machine.

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Re: How come a ticket from Denmark to California costs so much?
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2006, 12:27:25 AM »
Thanks for the nice words, I was a big concerned it might be too much at once to tell.

Happy: I've already tried looking at working at the computer and that's why I'm dreaming of working with computergames/sims since some of my natural talents and hobbies lends itself well to that but I need to get the stuff learnt and while Microsoft released a top-professions program-compiler for free also for commercial usage and I've bought now 4 books on game programming plus I got a BIG physics-book and a C++ programming book from my engineering-college-days then I still need some things shown in practical examples and ways where I can try things for myself to give it the last nudge to sink in. I've already got several game-concepts that doesn't (shouldn't) offend any copyrtighted trademarks and doesn't use bloody violence like most games out there and offers many experiences I've gathered from 15 years of computergaming and my own creative ideas mixed with suggestions from gamer-friends etc. The only thing is that 3DS Max, The Standard in 3D modeling and animation for both games and some movies costs a heck of a lot of money, and while I'm sure it's worth the money and I do indeed only want to use licensed legally bought software then it'll take some time to save up for, in fact it costs even more than a round-trip ticket to USA last I checked, and there is just one version, not even a stripped version which would have more than plenty for my usage, but oh well, I got no debts and doesn't use much money for food or clothing so I can probably save up for it, sometime.

If someone here knows of a book or a program that shows in simple terms how to make a program that responds in a 3D world to coontroller input then I'd love to see it since the books I got mainly show theory and while it's great then my mind needs to learn by doing as well, afterwards then I can easily think as abstract as a coconut riding a comet but until then I'm lost, the expression "so close yet so far away" comes to mind.

Zaizai: Actually, my concern about automatics is that it'll get anything but boring in a case where I need a clutch, or where I have to react on instict because there's no time for anything else and then left foot goes for the clutch and right foot goes for the brake, and with no clutch then that could be a problem.

Jim: There are many stereotypes, but even in my own family I'm strange, and so was my dad actually so how would I compare to even people in the same small town let alone a whole country. However other people do indeed try to stereotype people into classes but at least it's not always with evil intentions.
One stereotype my mom experienced was that americans often say: stop by anytime, but they don't really mean it, it's an empty gesture where in DK we'd only say it if we want them to stop by. Another one is that americans look a lot at classes: what's your education, how much money do you make, what kind of car do you drive. Things that that in my mind doesn't really necessarily describe who you are, but then again if it's not by evil intention then I don't get mad about it, unlike people showing hatred for all of the same group even if not all people actually behave like that person thinks they do.

I just know that all people are different and I try to keep an open mind, especially in forums where I know, sadly from experince as super moderator in the biggest racing game forum around, RaceSim Central, that one single spelling error or incorrect grammer can cause giant hating flamewars, a lot of trouble based on something that actually didn't exist, similar things btw happend in real life and is often the cause of trouble. That's sad in a way, to fight over a misunderstanding but then both parties get mad and then the argument gets a foundation in itself. After being depressed for years and not knowing who I was and where I belonged and how I could function in the world. I know that now, and I feel so enlightend about it, and I got tired of concentrating on bad things and want to enjoy all the wonderous things in the world, and I don't even smoke or drink alchohol or coffee, I enjoy music, looking at nature sometimes, being alive, Chicken Wings, cars, planes, driving, playing games. I follow my mood instead of trying to force myself to do things I'm not in the mood for, but this only goes for things that aren't on a time-table like paying bills or going to the store shopping. It's hard to describe but it works. Now all I'm depressed about is that I can't get that one big step to get going in creating my life and making sure my mom is safe and comfortable.

Wow, this got a bit long, sorry about that, but then again if I remember correctly from the start then someone said they never read all of the long posts anyway hehe.

Greetings and goodnight, it's late here now. soon to become early.
Frank
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Re: How come a ticket from Denmark to California costs so much?
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2006, 11:00:06 AM »
Thanks for the nice words, I was a big concerned it might be too much at once to tell.

No worries, I think I can talk for everybody if I say that, whenever you need to discuss about problems or whatever, and when trying to find solutions or just explose and let the  stem go out, you can do it in here!

And about problems related to grammar and meanings.......
An English professor wrote the words, “Woman without her man is nothing” on the blackboard and directed his students to punctuate it correctly.
The men wrote: “Woman, without her man, is nothing.”
The women wrote: “Woman: Without her, man is nothing.”

Take care and have a nice day!
 
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Re: How come a ticket from Denmark to California costs so much?
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2006, 02:08:33 PM »
Frank, thank you, I understand.  |:)\  In the off season, I drive a concrete mix truck and my own personal vehicles usually have manual transmissions (although my newest pickup has an automatic) so I understand the control issue.

Happy, the punctuation illustration is brilliant. |:)\

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Re: How come a ticket from Denmark to California costs so much?
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2006, 04:52:18 PM »
Well, my bike used to have manual (yeah - it's gone) now my other bike (Teheee:P) has also manual....
But a motorcycles gearbox is completely diffrent from the car (except for the old 750 cubicle K's - also stick gearbox)
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Re: How come a ticket from Denmark to California costs so much?
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2006, 08:20:46 PM »
now my other bike (Teheee:P) has also manual....

Mate, as soon as you're going to drive it again, it will have squared wheels!  :) ;) :)
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