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Offline happylanding

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souvenirs from a flight
« on: June 16, 2006, 11:22:21 AM »
Hello mates!

I just came back from a flight today. and I just wanted to share a pic of my experience with you!
Enjoy!  :)  :)
I give that landing a 9 . . . on the Richter scale.

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Re: souvenirs from a flight
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2006, 11:29:35 AM »
and the second one....
I give that landing a 9 . . . on the Richter scale.

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Re: souvenirs from a flight
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2006, 12:23:44 PM »
Nice pictures!! :)
Wow, I guess the scenery for flying in Switzerland must really be beautiful! Wouldn't want to end up there in bad weather though...

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Re: souvenirs from a flight
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2006, 02:13:43 PM »
...not a lot of places to land out there, huh?!

You guys must do an extra careful preflight.... ;D  |:)\
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Re: souvenirs from a flight
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2006, 04:48:24 PM »
...not a lot of places to land out there, huh?!

You guys must do an extra careful preflight.... ;D  |:)\

:) :) it's quite amusing when you find yourself in a valley and have to check for the mountain pass, in which you'd like to fly through. i'll tell you it's not always easy, specially during winter, since the mountains all look the same...in this case I think that navigation skills are the best, there is no way a GPS can be really helpful...and yes, there is not a lot of space to land, but there are I think 66 airport strips to chose from..... Not bad for a small country, isn't it?!?!? ;) ;)
I give that landing a 9 . . . on the Richter scale.

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Re: souvenirs from a flight
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2006, 01:18:44 AM »
Fantastic view but isn't it difficult to fly in the mountains with small piston-planes? Wind-gusts from mountain-sides, thin air and such?
And why wouldn't GPS help there? If it can position you within a few meters then shirley it can position you on the right side of a mountain range when making an approach to a landing strip? And yes that number is quite impressive, DK doesn't have many airports/airfields at all.

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Re: souvenirs from a flight
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2006, 10:38:23 PM »
yeah, explain the GPS part please. I am not quite sure what you meant either...

How is it to fly in the alps??
I have tons of helicopter mountain time, but I would think about it twice before I would attempt to fly there in a little stuck-wing plane....
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Re: souvenirs from a flight
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2006, 01:46:09 AM »
Amazing beautiful mountains in Switzerland! |:)\ |:)\

Like Mike I have tons of mountain flying time and have found GPS, especially the TAWS function, a valuable asset in that environment.  Unlike Mike, none of mine is rotary wing (insert liittle sneering rotar-head) so I've learned that my options are fewer and I need every tool and discipline I can bring to bear to maximize safety.   That's why I question your statement on GPS. ???   Perhaps something was lost in translation...........

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Re: souvenirs from a flight
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2006, 08:56:28 AM »
Amazing beautiful mountains in Switzerland! |:)\ |:)\

Like Mike I have tons of mountain flying time and have found GPS, especially the TAWS function, a valuable asset in that environment.  Unlike Mike, none of mine is rotary wing (insert liittle sneering rotar-head) so I've learned that my options are fewer and I need every tool and discipline I can bring to bear to maximize safety.   That's why I question your statement on GPS. ???   Perhaps something was lost in translation...........


I see I wrote the last message too fast and any sense got lost, actually, sorry! :)
It's an idea/a problem I've since the aircraft I use was equipped with GPS, I was not speaking generally :)
The point is that I’ve noticed that when flying with GPS I tend to question the correctness of the instrument and always think it could be wrong (I think that it is a problem that comes from the fact that I used GPS to travel all around Scotland by car and once got lost since it lost the satellites and did not hear the messages and consequently got lost with it, discovering the fact 10 minutes later, when it caught up with satellites again…). As soon as I begin questioning too much its correctness (and it always happens), I have to stop using it, since I feel like flying “unsafe” and just completely revert to the use of my map, my watch and my FP, switching the instrument's map off. On the Alps this feeling comes just in a matter of seconds. I tend to say myself “maybe it won’t send me in the right pass...what if it sends me in the valley before? what if he has lost the satellites and is saying nothing?”. Before using GPS I never had this feeling but since I began using it, I felt like I had to trust an instrument I’m unable to trust and this fact creates confusion.  I probably approach the GPS in the wrong way, but it seems to me that it gives me a certain degree of uncertainty that I usually do not have.....Any idea?

on the other topic, I think we Swiss are quite accustomed about flying in the Alps and I get bored flying in northern Italy for example, where there is a big big plain and the panorama never changes. but about wind you must be careful on flight preparation. it could be that you have to cross a too windy zone or it could happen that on the southern part weather is beautiful and on the northern part of the alps it is not, but I never encountered any particular problem, but visibility because of which I had to go back (ex. layer of clouds covering the pass, no contact to the ground). Wind gust happens, but - once again - I never had any difficult experience.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2006, 09:41:57 AM by happylanding »
I give that landing a 9 . . . on the Richter scale.

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Re: souvenirs from a flight
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2006, 03:28:33 PM »
AH Yes,
I do understand the need to double check nav sources in IFR or night environments in mountainous terrain, that's called situational awareness.   Don't lose the need to double check,  EVER! |:)\

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Re: souvenirs from a flight
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2006, 04:24:38 PM »
AH Yes,
I do understand the need to double check nav sources in IFR or night environments in mountainous terrain, that's called situational awareness.   Don't lose the need to double check,  EVER! |:)\

Fireflyr, do you mean by this that the feeling is normal - if not good - and I should not think about myself as being nuts?!?  ???
I give that landing a 9 . . . on the Richter scale.

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2006, 04:17:34 AM »
AH Yes,
I do understand the need to double check nav sources in IFR or night environments in mountainous terrain, that's called situational awareness.   Don't lose the need to double check,  EVER! |:)\

Fireflyr, do you mean by this that the feeling is normal - if not good - and I should not think about myself as being nuts?!?  ???


HMMM,  Let me try agaim, when I am flying night or IFR, there is a part of my brain that knows my relative position to major landmarks, mountains, cities, whatever is important at the current moment--- my brain looks at whatever data is available and makes some kind of moving display that is updated without me thinkiing about it.  Then as I'm cruising along, as data and positions change, if one bit of data does not change relative to other input, it sets off a warning flag and I then NEED to know why and I start rechecking everything to find out. Sometimes a simple crosscheck is enough--other times, I need more.   That is positional awareness.  A simple VFR GPS is a great crosscheck tool.  I always believe what my nav instruments are telling me as long as they concur with my brain and if there's any doubt, they win first choice until I prove them wrong.    Kind of like when the Pink Panther say's "I trust everyone and.............I believe no one!!!!!!!!!!!
You are not "NUTS" for crosschecking ALL nav information, espessially in dark and dangerous terrain.   Start thinking at random moments of night flights "if it quit now!--I'd go this way"  (point to your escape and calculate if you could make)

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Re: souvenirs from a flight
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2006, 03:20:34 AM »
I do understand the need to double check nav sources in IFR or night environments in mountainous terrain, that's called situational awareness.   Don't lose the need to double check,  EVER! |:)\

Amen brother! I was in the Geronimo a few months back on a radio relay contract and lost all electricity but knew where i was even though i had a solid layer below me. i tried to trouble shoot the problem for a bit then made the decision to decend through the deck before the weather got any worse, with a plan of action that if i didn't break out by 1,000 ft that i'd climb back on top and fly east where i knew the weather was better. I broke out at 1,800 ft. about 5 miles out over the gulf and parallel to where i thought i was. I headed back toward the airport but isolated the problem, re-filed a IFR flight plan (i'd cancelled the other once i was on top and on station) and went back to work. always know where you are.
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Re: souvenirs from a flight
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2006, 02:36:42 PM »
Speaking of souvenirs from a flight.... I got in 44V, one of our king air's the other day to clean it after a charter and someone had swiped one of the dang cup holders :o I guess that at $1,600 an hour they needed something more than the plane ride... Sheesh

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Re: souvenirs from a flight
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2006, 03:16:28 PM »
ahhhh, they were drunk and needed a coozie!  ::)  ;D
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