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Re: Reno Air Races Crash!
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2011, 06:58:16 PM »
makes sense I guess...
It's kinda what I was suspecting as well just watching the whole thing on tape.

did you read a report somewhere?
I can't view the video, it says "it's private".....

Aw crap!  This doggone video was going viral last night and now it's been taken private!?!?!?  I can't even open it now.   ::complaining: ::banghead::

If it comes back up somewhere else I'll post it.  Sorry everyone.

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Re: Reno Air Races Crash!
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2011, 07:16:02 PM »
A quick check on this reveals that the video was pirated from a subscription website called PJTV.  They have a regular commentator named Bill Whittle who does a program called Afterburner.  The program, "Live Free or Die" is now only available if you subscribe to PJTV.  Too bad.  This guy had some great analysis and commentary, and lambasted the idiots in the media that are calling for the Air Races to be shut down.

I am sorry I got everyone's hopes up, but good old American Capitalistic greed has triumphed yet again.   ::banghead::

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Re: Reno Air Races Crash!
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2011, 09:33:33 PM »
. . . . . and lambasted the idiots in the media that are calling for the Air Races to be shut down.

I'm gonna get a petition going to shut down freeways since they seem to kill people every day!

Just trying to make the world a safer place fore everybody. That's all......
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Re: Reno Air Races Crash!
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2011, 11:42:06 PM »
. . . . . and lambasted the idiots in the media that are calling for the Air Races to be shut down.

I'm gonna get a petition going to shut down freeways since they seem to kill people every day!

Just trying to make the world a safer place fore everybody. That's all......
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True dat!  |:)\
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Re: Reno Air Races Crash!
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2011, 09:12:26 PM »
just got this in an email.
seems like a pretty good explanation to me.....


Good News for the future of air racing.

Our new crew member, Matt Jackson, is not only a race pilot, aircraft
business owner and aircraft owner (he also takes care of Tom Cruises P-51)
but he is also the VP of the Unlimited Racing Class and head of the Safety
Committee.

We had a long talk about the Reno crash on the way to Mojave today.

Matt believes the cause of the crash was due to The Galloping Ghost having a
CG too close to the aft limit which resulted in pitch instability. There are
instructions on the P-51 regarding no combat missions with the aft fuel tank
full resulting in an aft CG problem. Instructions specify to empty the aft
fuel tank first in flight.

During qualifying Matt watched Galloping Ghost from inside the cockpit of
Furias and could not believe how much trouble Leeward was having in keeping
the Ghost in a stable pattern around the course.

Since Leeward lives in Florida and the Galloping Ghost was modified for
racing in Calif., when Leeward picked up the Ghost for the Reno races at the
last minute, a complete flight test program had not been done based on
available information.

There is a video of the entire last lap of the Ghost before the crash which
Matt showed me. As Leeward was coming around pylon #8 at about 480 mph after
passing Rare Bear, he hit turbulence which pitched his left wing down,
Leeward corrected with hard right rudder and aileron. Just as the aircraft
was straightening out, he hit a second mountain of turbulence which caused
the tail to 'dig in' resulting in a 10+ G climb rendering Leeward
unconscious instantly and resulted in the tail wheel falling out. (broken
tail wheel support structure was found on the course). As the Ghost shot
upward the LH aileron trim tab broke loose. This can be heard on the tape,
so the trim tab did not cause the accident.

Since the Ghost was racing at 480 mph with full right rudder and the stick
full right, this is where everything stayed when Leeward blacked out.
Cockpit camera film that was salvaged from the wreck shows Leeward slumped
over to the right in the cockpit. As a result, the Ghost climbed up and to
the right, rolled over on her back and then headed for the box seats. Most
in the box seats never saw it coming because it came in from behind them.

Matt has had long conversations with the NTSB who call the accident a
'fluke'. They are not going to recommend canceling future races. He has also
talked to the insurance companies covering the races for Reno and they also
say they are not going to cancel their coverage of future races. Now we wait
for the FAA to make a decision.

Ironically, Matt bought box seats tickets for his good friends who stayed
with him for a few days before the races. They were the husband and wife who
were killed.

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Re: Reno Air Races Crash!
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2011, 07:16:39 AM »
I'm deeply grieved the hear about this accident.  Reno was the first major airshow I ever attended back in 1999.  I watched Miss Ashly II crash, another Mustang based experimental that was ruled as flutter.  I'll definitly be making it a priority to be there again since it's time is limited by housing encroachment anyway.

I have to admit, the seat failure sounded very plausible to me.  We had a family of 4 die here in Alaska this summer when the pilots seat on a Cessna 185 failed right after takeoff.

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Re: Reno Air Races Crash!
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2011, 04:17:05 PM »
Life may not be the party we hoped for---but while we're here--we might as well dance..........

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Re: Reno Air Races Crash!
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2011, 04:40:50 PM »
Video back up

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&load=6097&mpid=56



Excellent!  That's the one I tried posting before.  Thanks for posting G-Man!

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Re: Reno Air Races Crash!
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2011, 09:08:55 PM »
Video back up

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&load=6097&mpid=56



Excellent!  That's the one I tried posting before.  Thanks for posting G-Man!

RC

Cool!
Couldn't agree more!  |:)\
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Re: Reno Air Races Crash!
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2011, 11:41:58 AM »
That video^ sums up all the feelings I have on this crash! Thank you so much for posting.
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Re: Reno Air Races Crash!
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2011, 05:31:01 PM »
we should get this video out to more people!

it seems it might get boycotted by the big news stations.......
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Re: Reno Air Races Crash!
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2011, 06:52:55 PM »
we should get this video out to more people!

it seems it might get boycotted by the big news stations.......

I already have.  I posted it to my FB acct and emailed it to just about any acquaintance that I thought would watch it.

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Re: Reno Air Races Crash!
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2011, 01:26:21 AM »
well, it seems like the Indy Car people now have to face the same questions by the media ....
that was a pretty horrific crash right next door to me....
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Re: Reno Air Races Crash!
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2011, 01:47:15 AM »
I have an issue of Sport Aviation (May 2011) with an article about the Galloping Ghost. Here is an excerpt from the very end of the article: "So with all this time, money, and brainpower that has been poured into bringing The Galloping Ghost back to life, exactly how fast is it? [new paragraph] With Jimmy's trademark impish grin, he said, "There are some things you never tell your competition, and that's one of them. But it's fast. Really fast." [new paragraph] We'll have to wait until September to see just how fast-and if Tiger is willing to climb into Strega and take on The Galloping Ghost.

Such a sad ending for so brave a try.  :'(
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Re: Reno Air Races Crash!
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2011, 11:40:58 AM »
Wow! I didn't expect it to turn that political, but indeed, he is spot on!

I hate how so many people accept that they're too stupid to make their own decisions and leave it up to the "experts". Just look at our economies to see how that worked out...

I think the most important thing you can do to better the world is to not let others patronize you all the time.