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Re: Hudson river ditching
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2009, 05:54:46 AM »
Wow, really great to hear a good outcome in such an event. Well done to all involved! Flight crew, rescuers and designers/mechanics |:)\

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Long before Hudson miracle, there was Capt. Richard Ogg
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2009, 03:58:20 AM »
Video clip of Pan Am Flight 943 landing in the Pacific
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkR4F3_fEUQ&eurl=http://www2.sgvtribune.com/california/ci_11602402&feature=player_embedded

APTOS -- As Aptos' Marilyn Ogg watched news coverage last month of pilot Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger's successful ditching of a commercial airliner in the Hudson River, a passenger praised Sullenberger for being the first to ever pull off such a maneuver.

"I thought, That's not correct,'" Ogg said. "I almost e-mailed."

She would know. More than 50 years ago, her father saved all 31 passengers aboard Pan Am Flight 943 when he ditched a Boeing 377 Stratocruiser in the Pacific Ocean.

Capt. Richard Ogg was midway through a flight from Honolulu to San Francisco on Oct. 16, 1956, when, in the wee hours of the morning, the No. 1 engine began to sputter. Shortly after, the No. 4 engine failed, leaving the plane with just two.

The Stratocruiser was losing altitude. It wouldn't make it to San Francisco or back to Honolulu. Ogg had to ditch.

About 3:30 a.m. Pacific time Oct. 16, as the plane passed over the empty heart of the Pacific Ocean, Capt. Ogg, 42, a pilot for 15 years at Pan Am, turned on the plane's PA system.

"Sorry to wake you up," he told his passengers.

"We have developed engine trouble and may have to ditch."

Like Sullenberger, who saved all 155 people aboard his US Airways jetliner, Ogg and his crew stayed calm. Fortune would have it that a Coast Guard cutter, the Pontchartrain, was nearby. Ogg circled the ship for four hours as he burned heavy fuel and waited for daylight.

"We will try to stay aloft until daylight," he said over the radio.

Capt. Ogg's passengers waited patiently. Some slept, some smoked cigarettes until it was time to brace for impact.

"Your ship is sure a beautiful sight," Ogg told the Coast Guard, which replied, "Thank you, we think so. Glad it's a comfort to you. We got your bacon and eggs on the fire."

Maureen Gordon, 54, a passenger on the October 1956 flight, watched the US Airways plane footage. She told the San Francisco Chronicle, "I was saying, Wow, this is so similar to what we went through,' " she said.  "Except ours was more fantastic in a way."

Gordon, and a handful of other people on Ogg's plane -- including several who live in the San Francisco Bay Area -- have been experiencing a unique case of deja vu.

"Our captain was a pillar of strength," said Jane Gordon, 86, Maureen's mother, speaking by phone from her home in Maryland. "He was just wonderful. I'm sure he was scared to death, but you'd never know it."

Flight 943 took off for San Francisco from Hawaii on Oct. 15, 1956, at 8:30 p.m. The Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, dubbed the Clipper Sovereign of the Skies, was a pinnacle of 1950s luxury designed to appeal to movie stars and the well-heeled.

Aboard the Clipper were 25 passengers; the cargo hold was packed with luggage and 44 cases of live canaries.

Trouble over the Pacific
Jane Gordon was already awake in the berths in the plane's tail, trying to quiet her 18-month-old twins, Maureen and Elizabeth. Gordon had been suffering a premonition of death since leaving the Philippines, where her husband, Richard, had a State Department posting.

"I was praying when ... we heard this terrible rumble of one engine, and then right after that the other one," she said.

Two engines had lost power. The two remaining engines kept the plane aloft, but their straining consumed more fuel -- and provided less speed.

Ogg had a choice of two bad options: keep going or turn back.

"If we had to ditch near the Farallones, that's bad news, because it's always choppy and rough out there," recalled Pat Pimsner of San Carlos, the plane's purser. "And we had headwinds going back if we turned around."

Ogg came up with a third option: a risky water landing in the middle of the Pacific.

Help from the Coast Guard
The plane had recently been in contact with the Pontchartrain in the Pacific below, where it served as a communications relay for airplanes crossing the sea.

"We were the midpoint. We were the point of no return," said Doak Walker of Juneau, Alaska, a radioman on the Pontchartrain that day. "They knew they couldn't make it all the way. ... They'd rather go down next to us."

For hours, Flight 943 circled over the cutter, burning off fuel. Pimsner and the flight crew cleared the cabin of loose objects and reminded the passengers how to inflate their life jackets.

Pimsner recalled that a Boeing 377 that had crashed in the ocean the previous year had shattered its tail on impact, so she cleared the rear berth area and parked the Gordons in their seats.

"At that time they didn't have infant seat belts," Pimsner said. "So I put each child in one of the parents' laps, and then I threw pillows all over the floor in front of them."

Several times before dawn, the Coast Guardsmen on the ship below told Ogg they were ready for his attempted landing. The pilot made a dry run as the sun rose, then pulled up and continued to circle.

"The ocean was flat, but they wanted more daylight. By the time we got daylight and they could see, the ocean was picking up again," recalled Dick Olson, the Pontchartrain's boatswain's mate of the watch that day.

Looking good and then ...
Shortly before 8 a.m., Pimsner and the rest of the cabin crew told passengers to assume crash positions, strap themselves in and extinguish cigarettes. Jane and Richard Gordon clung to the twins, and the plane headed for the sea at 90 nautical mph.

Olson, now a 73-year-old Danville resident, recalled watching from the Pontchartrain as the plane approached the sea. Ogg's landing seemed to be going well, he said.

But "before he settled down, the wings caught a swell," Olson said.

The plane whipped around, its nose shattering and the tail -- as Pimsner had feared -- snapping away. The crew of the Pontchartrain watched in horror.

"When we saw that hit and explode, we just knew nobody could survive that," said Walker, the radioman. "It crashed a mile away, but we could feel it. We just knew nobody could survive that."

But moments later, as the spray cleared, the Pontchartrain's crew could see tiny figures walking on the wings of the floating, shattered plane.

"We steamed full steam to get there," Olson said.

As his passengers were rescued, Ogg -- as Sullenberger would do years later -- went twice through the plane searching for anybody left behind. Pimsner accompanied him until they stepped out of the sinking plane.

"He let me go first," she said. "Always a gentleman."

Then Ogg stepped off the plane's wing. About 21 minutes after he had landed it, the Clipper Sovereign of the Skies disappeared underwater.

All passengers were safe. The sole injury was Maureen Gordon, one of the twins, who was torn from her mother's arms, bumped her head and was knocked out. She quickly recovered.

All part of the job
It took days for the Pontchartrain to steam to San Francisco, its officers' quarters packed with plane passengers.

The press swarmed the survivors.
"We had a certain job to do," Ogg told reporters. "We had to do it right or else."

His widow, Peggy, recalled those words as she watched coverage of Sullenberger in New York.

"I think they are very similar people. Very calm. Always doing their very best -- learning everything they can," she said. "They were preparing for this, and it didn't catch them off-guard."

Ogg continued to fly until his death in 1991, but the ditching stayed in his mind. His widow recalled asking him, as she sat by his deathbed, about a faraway look on his face.

"I was thinking of those poor canaries that drowned in the hold when I had to ditch the plane," he said.

Marilyn Ogg remembers her father getting teary-eyed years later about those canaries, too, and two dogs that were lost in the cargo hold.

"They were cut from the same mold," she said of her father and Sullenberger. "They were both humble men who were cool, calm and collected and they did exactly what they needed to do."

Ogg, who lived in Aptos for more than 30 years and died in 1991 at the age of 77, later became the subject of a book, a movie and television features. His experience was used in training films for several airlines.

Retired Pan Am pilot Joe D'Esposito of Prunedale said Capt. Ogg was a legend. "He was respected," D'Esposito said. "I was in Miami at the time, but everybody knew about it."

The San Francisco Chronicle contributed to this report.

Pan Am Flight 943

in short: More than 50 years before Chesley 'Sully' Sullenberger saved 155 people by ditching a US Airways jetliner in the Hudson River, there was Aptos' Richard Ogg. The Pan Am pilot successfully ditched a Boeing 377 Stratocruiser in the Pacific Ocean in 1956, saving all 31 people aboard.
The heroics became the subject of a book, a movie, television features and training videos used by several airlines. He died in 1991 at the age of 77.

The ordeal of Pan Am 943

After losing power on its way from Honolulu to San Francisco in October 1956, Pan Am Flight 943 maintained radio communication with the Coast Guard cutter Pontchartrain in the sea below as it considered a risky ocean landing. Other airplanes and ships relayed some of these messages to the mainland.
3:20 a.m. From PAA 943 to Honolulu: We have a runaway prop. Will call you later.
3:27 a.m. From PAA 943: No. 4 engine also dead and No. 1 still overspeeding. Our No. 4 engine is out cold. Dead at the moment.
3:35 a.m. Relayed by PAA 739 to San Francisco: We will give you the latest dope but it looks bad right now.
4:19 a.m. From Pontchartrain: PAA 943 dumping fuel. Will definitely ditch.
4:47 a.m. Relayed by PAA 25V: PAA 943 is debating decision whether to ditch now or wait until sunrise. Guard ship advises that conditions are excellent now.
5:01 a.m. Relayed by PAA 25V: PAA 943 advising Coast Guard they will definitely have to ditch. Will be unable to make Sfran or Hono with amount of fuel remaining. Still airborne.
5:10 a.m. From Pontchartrain: Clipper 943 now orbiting in area. Considering trying to stay aloft until daylight.
7:57 a.m. From Pontchartrain: He will ditch in approximately 25 minutes.
8:09 a.m. From Pontchartrain: Ditching in five minutes.
8:15 a.m. From Pontchartrain: The plane has ditched. It broke in half on contact.
8:21 a.m. From Pontchartrain: The plane has ditched. Have four rafts in water. Many survivors apparent. Have two rescue boats in water. All possible rescue gear. The plane broke off at the tail.
8:43 a.m. From Pontchartrain: The bow stove in on ditching. Tail sank almost immediately. The plane sank in about 21 minutes. We rescued all survivors aboard. There are 31 survivors.
8:43 a.m. From Pontchartrain: All I can say is 'Thank God' and out.
Note: All are West Coast times.

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Re: Hudson river ditching
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2009, 03:04:19 PM »
Wow, what a wonderful story. And the video! That guy took the time to compliment the boat beauty before ditching.  ::bow:: ::bow::

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Re: Hudson river ditching
« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2009, 05:25:26 PM »
Seems to me that, in this case, his sailplane experience factored in pretty heavily. Those guys have to make land-out decisions frequently.

Also, he's now an honorary lifetime member of the Seaplane Pilots Association:

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SPA and Jack Brown’s Seaplane Base Honor Heroic Water Landing    
Written by James McManus   
Jan 20, 2009 at 09:32 PM

January 19, 2009: USAirways Captain Chelsey Sullenberger was awarded a lifetime membership in the Seaplane Pilots Association in recognition for his extraordinary airmanship, seamanship, and decision-making, saving hundreds of lives in his emergency landing of Flight 1549 in the Hudson River on January 15. Jack Brown's Seaplane Base, in Winter Haven, FL, joined SPA in honoring Sulley with a complimentary seaplane rating course. Jon Brown promised Capt. Sullenberger that he would enjoy his future water landings much more than his first. We all salute you, Captain Sullenberger.
https://www.seaplanes.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=617&Itemid=46

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Re: Hudson river ditching
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2009, 04:21:29 PM »
Have you  heard that they have just named a new drink after Captain Sully?
 
It is called the Sully.
It consists of 2 shots of Grey Goose and a Splash of Water!


 ::drinking:: ::drinking:: ::rofl:: ::rofl::

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Re: Hudson river ditching
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2009, 04:33:46 PM »
Have you  heard that they have just named a new drink after Captain Sully?
 
It is called the Sully.
It consists of 2 shots of Grey Goose and a Splash of Water!


 ::drinking:: ::drinking:: ::rofl:: ::rofl::
...and ICE, do´'t forget the Ice!!! Tastes great...ditching in my tub now... ::rofl:: ::rofl:: ::rofl::

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Re: Hudson river ditching
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2009, 04:10:57 AM »
The immigrant birds were from Canada, not France.

Smithsonian Institution scientists say it was migratory Canada geese -- and not resident Canada geese -- that caused US Airways Flight 1549 to ditch in New York's Hudson River on January 15.

At least two female and one male geese were flying at approximately 2,900 feet were from Labrador, Canada.

The geese did not have green cards.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/06/08/usair.bird.strike/index.html

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Re: Hudson river ditching
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2009, 05:16:36 AM »
Hmmmmmmmmmm...  There are a few holes in these researchers' statements:

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At the time of the US Airways bird strike, the flock was in the upper limits of their flying abilities, the Smithsonian said. About "3,000 feet is pretty much their limit," Dove said.

This is inaccurate.  I have personally had close encounters with flocks of Canada geese at altitudes as high as 8,000 feet over North Dakota during migration season.  USAF statistics have suggested that most birdstrike incidents occur within 3,000 feet of the surface, but this is not conclusive by any means.

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Re: Hudson river ditching
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2009, 09:39:01 PM »
¿Where are thou, Nils Holgersson?

Last seen: near Selma Lagerlöf's house.

We need thou, for guiding geese migrants away from airline invaders...

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Literature Nobel Prize 1909
The Wonderful Adventures of Nils (Orig. Nils Holgerssons underbara resa genom Sverige) is a famous work of fiction by the Swedish author Selma Lagerlöf, published in two parts in 1906 and 1907. The background for publication was a commission from the National Teachers Association in 1902 to write a geography reader for the public schools.

"She devoted three years to Nature study and to familiarizing herself with animal and bird life. She has sought out hitherto unpublished folklore and legends of the different provinces. These she has ingeniously woven into her story." (From translator Velma Swanston Howard's introduction.) 

Selma Lagerlöf, like many leading Swedish intellectuals of her time, was a friend of Swedish spelling reform. When published in 1906, this book was one of the first to adopt the new spelling mandated by a government resolution on April 7, 1906 (see Svenska Akademiens Ordlista under History).


DonYan: I am very fond of this book: I read it when I was 7 years old. It depicts scenery from the air so well...then Doctors in Pamplona burned my digestive track, (wrong medicine) and had to be flown in emergency to Madrid for medical asistance...in a Tante JÜ! a Ju 52/3m from Iberia...noisy, ice cold, drafty, shaky...was forever in love with flight after both experiences! (the book & the plane...NOT the burning!)
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