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Sad Day for UND...
« on: October 25, 2007, 01:35:14 AM »
Sad night here on campus.

http://www.wdaz.com/news/index.cfm?id=341

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BROWERVILLE, Minn. (AP) _ A flight instructor and a student pilot died when a University of North Dakota airplane crashed in a swampy area during a training flight from St. Paul to Grand Forks, the Todd County Sheriff's Department confirmed Wednesday night.

An air crew from the Minnesota Wing of the Civil Air Patrol found the wreckage near Turtle Creek Township northeast of Browerville around 4:10 p.m., the CAP said.

A search and rescue team from the sheriff's department and a CAP ground team from St. Cloud confirmed the find.

The pilot, Annette Klosterman, 22, a UND flight instructor from Seattle, and Adam Ostapenko, 20, a junior aviation student from Duluth, were killed in the crash, authorities said.

The UND plane had left St. Paul shortly before 9:30 p.m. Tuesday. Air traffic officials in Minneapolis last spoke to Klosterman and Ostapenko in a routine conversation at 10:15 p.m., in the St. Cloud area.

The plane was due to arrive in Grand Forks at 11:45 p.m. Tuesday, Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Elizabeth Isham Cory said. The FAA sent out a notice at 1:46 a.m. Wednesday, alerting airports and law enforcement officials along the flight path, when the pilot did not close out the flight plan that had been filed with the agency before takeoff, she said.

"What (the notice) does is alert airports and sheriffs and local law enforcement on the path ... and asked them to start looking," Isham Cory said.

A ground search of all airports from St. Cloud to Grand Forks was conducted early Wednesday, UND said, and the Civil Air Patrol sent five aircraft at daybreak to continue the search.

Civil Air Patrol Capt. Al Pabon said more planes joined the search Wednesday afternoon, with volunteer pilots coming from several Minnesota cities.

The crash site is about 20 miles northwest of Little Falls.

Last December, two UND students were killed when a single-engine Cessna left the Crookston airport and crashed into a farm field. Friends said pilot Jacob Rueth, 18, of Orland Park, Ill., and passenger Jacob Allen Sundblad, 19, of Annandale, had gone to practice takeoffs and landings.

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Re: Sad Day for UND...
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2007, 01:38:39 AM »
My sincere condolences :'(

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Re: Sad Day for UND...
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2007, 02:28:15 AM »
Damn, not another.  Sorry to hear that.
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Re: Sad Day for UND...
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2007, 02:33:51 AM »
OH DEAR, my sincerest condolenses to the families  :'(   |:)\ |:)\

Being a student pilot myself I hate to hear this stuff  :(
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Re: Sad Day for UND...
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2007, 05:42:50 AM »
Oh how sad...  that is even harder to hear, when people are so young.  Condolences...   :'(
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Re: Sad Day for UND...
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2007, 11:58:28 AM »
Odpočinutie večné daj im Pane a svetlo večné nech im svieti, nech odpočívajú v pokoji. Amen

Deepest sympathy to the families and friends.
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Re: Sad Day for UND...
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2007, 12:34:11 PM »
This is tough... especially when working at a flight school and knowing it could happen at any school - or to any pilot... Will be praying for the familes and friends. My deepest sympathy...
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Re: Sad Day for UND...
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2007, 02:12:31 PM »
This sucks.  Especially being so close to home. 

Chris, did you know either of them?
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Re: Sad Day for UND...
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2007, 03:09:17 PM »
This sucks.  Especially being so close to home. 

Chris, did you know either of them?

Not directly.  I had seen the CFI around school (one of the few women instructing) but didn't know her in person.  Within my fraternity house, my little brother was friends with the student, and one of my other good friends roomate had her for his CFI.  So it does hit home to some extent.  All flight Ops are closed today.  I am in aviation safety right now with the director of safety for aerospace, so I'm pretty sure class will be canceled today.
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Re: Sad Day for UND...
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2007, 03:12:45 PM »
Well, prop each other up.  Be strong. 
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Re: Sad Day for UND...
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2008, 05:37:15 PM »
Reviving an old thread... I thought you might like to read this, though.

I just saw a blurb on AvWeb - UND has released a preliminary cause of the crash. No word yet from the NTSB

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A bird strike likely caused the crash that killed two University of North Dakota students last year, according to investigators at the school, the school newspaper reported...


Also, here's a link to the School's release: http://media.www.dakotastudent.com/media/storage/paper970/news/2008/04/15/News/Deadly.Plane.Crash.Likely.Caused.By.Bird.Strike-3325789.shtml
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Re: Sad Day for UND...
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2008, 08:59:16 PM »
Bird strikes are a routine hazard in Minnesota and the eastern Dakotas in both spring and fall.  I consider myself fortunate to have survived my birdstrike with a Canadian Goose.  We knew it was a goose because after I landed we found bits and pieces of goose feathers stuck to the fuselage from the passenger door all the way back to the tail of the airplane.  It was a dark moonless night, and I only hit one about 4 feet out on the leading edge of the wing in the C210.  Canadian geese never fly alone though and I kept thinking to myself, "Where were his buddies?"

These two pilots really hit the jackpot.  I don't know of any way this could have been avoided by them.  They were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and it happened after dark.  According to these accounts, one of the two birds they struck hit the stabilator and bent it 90 degrees up...  more than enough to make the airplane uncontrollable.  At least it went quick for them.

About the only lesson to be learned from this is to go to the research that I think was published by the US Air Force.  Their research indicated that about 70% of all bird strikes happen within 3000 feet AGL, so if you live along a flyway it behooves you to fly higher if you can.  However, I personally have encountered flocks of Canadian geese as high as 8000 MSL in the Dakotas, and I have read accounts of them going into the flight levels during migration so there are no guarentees.

Also, most migratory ducks and geese travel at night.  If you are out there, by all means turn on every landing light and strobe light you possibly can!  It might save you.  When bagged my goose I had my strobes on, but no landing lights.  My employer strongly discouraged the use of landing lights in either day or night time, because the lights were only good for about 25hrs of operation before they burned out and he was trying to keep that expense down.  Needless to say that I ignored his directive after that!
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Re: Sad Day for UND...
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2008, 09:49:27 PM »
I actually never knew until now that migratory birds flew at night or as high (up in the flight levels). I can't remember ever really discussing bird strikes  (and avoidance) with my flight instructors. Thanks RC.
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Re: Sad Day for UND...
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2008, 07:28:11 AM »
HMM--been flying airplanes at night for a long time and have never seen birds so I checked the web after reading your letter and by golly, you are exactly right |:)\
Don't know why I ever missed that information but I reckon the old saying about "ignorance is bliss" certainly covered my experience----although, now that I know, it's just one more thing to worry about-------THANKS A LOT ::complaining: ::complaining:

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Re: Sad Day for UND...
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2008, 02:31:29 PM »
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HMM--been flying airplanes at night for a long time and have never seen birds so I checked the web after reading your letter and by golly, you are exactly right

My point is that you will NEVER see them at night!  I didn't.  I was flying along happy as pig in $h1t, when BAM!!!  The whole airplane shuddered and yawed, then it started feeling funny.  I never had any warning, never saw a thing, nothing.

I'll look through my desktop this evening and see if I can find the pics I took of the leading edge of the wing.  It didn't look too bad, but the leading edge was bashed in all the way to the forward spar along a 3 foot section or so which left a flat plate along my leading edge of about 8 inches thickness!

If you fly with your landing lights on at night you'll never know whether you have saved yer butt or not, but I figure its cheap insurance.
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