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Offline Roland

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Re: German helicopter-stuntflying video
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2006, 07:12:48 AM »
@ Frank:

To fly a looping properly the aircraft needs speed. A fixed wing aircraft gets speed from its propulsion system, i.e. the propeller or the jet engine.

A helicopter does not have such kind of propulsion to create forward thrust but gets forward speed by tilting the rotor disk forward and therefore pushes the thrust of the rotor backward. Doing so the helicopter can stay in the air AND fly forward using only ONE propulsion, whilst the fixed wing stays in the air by using lift force of the wing AND thrust.

You see that to fly a looping properly with a helicopter one component is badly missing. Ether enough thrust or enough lift. And as you stated correctly a helicopter will more likely do a flip backward than a proper looping.

To the Lynx: have you ever seen this particular Lynx which hold the speed record? It is heavily modified! Try to find it on the internet, it’s worth a look. Helicopters are limited in speed due to the phenomena/problem of advancing and retreating blades during forward flight. So now there is math involved: the blade moving forward adds its tip speed, resulting from the rotational speed of the rotor, and the speed of the forward flight. Roughly we will gain around 950 km/h at the blade-tip. So what, you will say? Here comes an other famous Austrian into play: Ernst Mach. At this speed of the blade tip we will soon have Mach-speed. No good! Due to a huge amount of aerodynamic problems at this point of speed (Mach) this is the reason for a natural speed limiter of helicopters in general.

On the speed record Lynx engineers have tuned all systems to squeezed out some extra knots to hit the record.
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Re: German helicopter-stuntflying video
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2006, 06:52:21 PM »
Prop tip speed can be a problem for fixed wing aircraft, as well.  If I remember right, the P-51 had some trouble with that in a power on dive.  If the tips of the blades slide into the transonic region, they will start to buffet and then shatter.  Not a good day at the office.  That's why you will never see a supersonic propellor driven a/c.

Anyone ever see Air Wolf?  It was an awesome show in the '80's about a supersonic helicopter.
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Re: German helicopter-stuntflying video
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2006, 03:56:28 AM »

Anyone ever see Air Wolf?  It was an awesome show in the '80's about a supersonic helicopter.

Hehe, yeah! That's as real as "Knight Rider" ;D
I know some of the guys who flew in that movie...
..I am pretty sure they used special effects :D ;)
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Re: German helicopter-stuntflying video
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2006, 04:45:30 AM »
I loved that show.  Wonder if it's on DVD yet...
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Re: German helicopter-stuntflying video
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2006, 01:08:37 AM »
Airwolf! Oh yeah I remember that. Modified Bell 222H although models were used for the folding out of the weapons though.

"When I hit this button, we'll go from zero to mach-1 in 6 seconds" (the episode with the kid that might be his brother's child but the man taking care of him was some criminal and ended up hanging on the nose-scoop over a deep canyon). I did take physics on high level when I got my danish mathematical student-exam (somewhere between US high-school and college educational level) but I can't remember the formula used to give g's from acceleration, but I'm sure it won't be pleasent to accelerate that fast, as if it could be possible that is.

I think I found the record-Lynx and an article showing what you described and the Lynx is shown underneath: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/design/helicopter/velocity.shtml

Speaking of fast helicopters and tv-shows, what about the helicopter/jet of the bad guy in MASK? It stopped the rotors, folded them back and lowered them behind a cowling and folded out wings and became a fast jet. Kind-of like the X-Wing concept they've played with in the real world for a few decades.

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Re: German helicopter-stuntflying video
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2006, 04:03:58 AM »
I will preface this by saying that I'm a geek and was a physics major in college for a time.   That having been said, I like saw what Frank posted about the speeds of Airwolf and was bored enough to work out the acceleration.    ;D   

using 340.29 meters per second as the speed of sound at sea level, plug and chug gives an acceleration of 5.79 times the force of gravity (g's)... which, atleast in the US, most newly certified aerobatic aircraft can withstand, as they're rated for a load factor of +6g.




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Re: German helicopter-stuntflying video
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2006, 10:30:32 PM »
Ah ok, maybe it's not impossible to withstand anyway, however creating such an acceleration is probably another matter. Thanks for the math-work :)

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Re: German helicopter-stuntflying video
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2006, 12:36:35 AM »
Don't think helicopter blades can take that kind of acceleration.   ;)
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Re: German helicopter-stuntflying video
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2006, 11:10:40 PM »
Hy guys!

I just passed by to have a look at this topic.
...and I found a lot of veeeery interesting information.. also explained in a excellent manner!!!
COMPLIMENTS!!!

That's why I love this forum!

btw: Stefan Raab, the crazy guy in the video invented also the world championship in bobsligh run with woks (the tipical cinese pan). He tryed to beat the record on a bobrun with one wok on his bottom and one on each foot..
afterwards another guy tryed the run with a rocket-wok.... at least he survived

find some pictures from the wok-championship:
http://tvtotal.prosieben.de/components/gallery/05407/010.html
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Re: German helicopter-stuntflying video
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2007, 07:43:20 PM »
Anyone ever see Air Wolf?  It was an awesome show in the '80's about a supersonic helicopter.
Hehe, I remember seeing an episode fairly recently.  (About 4 years ago.)  It was an episode with a Piaggio Avanti.  It cracked me up because the Avanti's engine nacelles were portrayed as being machinegun hardpoints in this particular episode.