Roost Air Lounge => Aviation related topics => Topic started by: Frank N. O. on January 06, 2007, 08:39:53 PM
Title: Some hand-picked pictures of some wild flying (any of you done similar?)
Post by: Frank N. O. on January 06, 2007, 08:39:53 PM
First off here's a wild Twin Otter approach, I wonder if Soccermom have done similar (I seem to remember you flying a Twin Otter right?)? http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0543650/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0931203/L/
One heck of a water-drop by one heck of a plane! http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1112325/L/
Note the two people that are ducking behind the fence under the tail of the plane! ::eek:: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1078027/L/
At least this looks pretty wild but possibly this is due to the angle, there is still something about those low long thin planes of that series, SAS have been using them for decadeshttp://www.airliners.net/open.file/0992312/L/
A relative of Turbomallard perhaps? http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0981388/L/
This might be a familiar site to some here at the forum but here we don't even have bikepaths that bad! http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0394818/L/
Frank
Title: Re: Some hand-picked pictures of some wild flying (any of you done similar?)
Post by: undatc on January 07, 2007, 06:25:06 AM
very nice, here is one of my favorite water drop pics.
Yes it does indeed look like it says the flying dutchman on the back there, but why do you think it landed early? How can you tell?
Frank
The 747 had not reached the runway threshold markings yet :)
Title: Re: Some hand-picked pictures of some wild flying (any of you done similar?)
Post by: undatc on January 07, 2007, 06:25:46 PM
but he wasnt down yet, had a few feet to go, and at the speed, i bet he would be very close to the taxi way marking, i dont even see a threshold marking near that. I know that aiport is in the carribbean somewhere, i cant remember the name off hand, Saint something or other. Possiable they dont have threshold markings there?
Title: Re: Some hand-picked pictures of some wild flying (any of you done similar?)
Post by: Frank N. O. on January 07, 2007, 06:54:49 PM
LOL it just dawned on me that I thought the early landing was the KLM plane with the duck! I'd completely forgotten about that 747 (ya'll must've thought I was blind not to see that the 747 landing was short) ::rofl::
Can someone tell me if that Twin Otter actually could've made that landing at that approach angle and with such a short runway?
Frank
Title: Re: Some hand-picked pictures of some wild flying (any of you done similar?)
Post by: undatc on January 07, 2007, 07:15:22 PM
LOL it just dawned on me that I thought the early landing was the KLM plane with the duck! I'd completely forgotten about that 747 (ya'll must've thought I was blind not to see that the 747 landing was short) ::rofl::
Can someone tell me if that Twin Otter actually could've made that landing at that approach angle and with such a short runway?
Frank
Sure, why not? I see caravans (about the same size) make landings about that dinstance and angle all the time. Fed Ex has a base at GFK, and they use caravans between all the small airports in the region. Anyways, they come in for landings at GFK on the big runway, when landing north, on 17, they ask for a shrot approach usually, turn base about 3/4 down the end of the runway, and nose it over. They use only about 1/2 the runway, and exit right at their base. No long taxi's.
Title: Re: Some hand-picked pictures of some wild flying (any of you done similar?)
Post by: TheSoccerMom on January 09, 2007, 06:18:33 AM
Hi Frank,
Thanks for the cool post. Great shots! 8)
The Otter shots are from a neat angle, but it does have a nosedown attitude, more so with more flaps. It requires much more of a "roundout" on touchdown because of the nosedown angle, especially with full flaps.
On an aborted landing with full flaps, the initial climb attitude isn't even up to nose-level... that is how much of a nosedown pitch it carries on final with full flaps. I've heard of one fatal accident where the pilot had full flaps and pitched to what is "normally" considered a usual climb (pitch) attitude, and stalled and crashed.
It can easily land on the runway shown... it was made for short / rough fields and arctic work. Those island hops have the added bonus of sea level performance, too. It's a better performer than everything that has been built to imitate it, in my humble opinion. I'm certainly no expert in the machine (I wish I was!!!), but I've landed in 300 feet and taken off in 600-700 feet... it just wants to fly, and was built to fly. Last summer I went out of a pretty rough grass strip with a fairly heavy load of guys, and it was over 4300 feet elevation, and I was flying well before the halfway mark (of 1000 feet). I think in our little "quickie fire guide book" for air operations, a "generic" airport for a Twin Otter to operate in and out of is a minimum length of 2000 feet; the other airplanes listed show 3000 - 4500 foot minimum-length runways.
Of course, I expect that Mike will point out HE doesn't "need no stinking runways!!!!!!!!!!!" :D :D :D
Title: Re: Some hand-picked pictures of some wild flying (any of you done similar?)
Post by: TheSoccerMom on January 09, 2007, 06:39:44 AM
Here's one of my favorite fire pictures.... it's from a good angle, so looks wilder than it really was. He's following the lead plane down the (unseen) ridge, along the fire's edge, to drop the retardant.
Hope you like it!
Title: Re: Some hand-picked pictures of some wild flying (any of you done similar?)
Post by: fireflyr on January 09, 2007, 04:08:14 PM
That was one of the best, Brent Conner, flying that day---the telephoto lens makes the airplane look closer to the people then it actually was. Mike Lynn was the leadplane pilot on that run and both he and Brent concur that it looked much dicier than it really was in fact. ;)
Title: Re: Some hand-picked pictures of some wild flying (any of you done similar?)
Post by: TheSoccerMom on January 09, 2007, 07:45:34 PM
Yup!
Brent just laughed when people brought it up... but it IS a cool shot. And I agree, he is a great guy. ;)
I sure wish I would have been rich enough to own a camera, all the years I was on fire. I try not to think about all the shots I wish I had! :'(
Title: Re: Some hand-picked pictures of some wild flying (any of you done similar?)
Post by: fireflyr on January 10, 2007, 02:14:56 PM
Brent just laughed when people brought it up... but it IS a cool shot. And I agree, he is a great guy. ;)
I sure wish I would have been rich enough to own a camera, all the years I was on fire. I try not to think about all the shots I wish I had! :'(
ME TOO!! ::banghead:: I've tried dragging my 35MM along and I've tried disposables but it seems like I've always been too busy over the fire to scrounge a camera off the floor or out of my flight bag for a fast shot---I just bought a pocket size Casio digital that I hope will enable me get some quick pictures--with my average of one good picture out of a hundred, I might be able capture something decent---we will see :-\
Title: Re: Some hand-picked pictures of some wild flying (any of you done similar?)
Post by: Frank N. O. on January 10, 2007, 04:00:45 PM
Ok I got a lot of posts to reply to, here goes!
I wondered if the Otter could land because from the glide-paths I normally see then it would overshoot the runway and probably not be able to stop soon enough, but I guess I again lack real life knowledge :'(
Those are some great looking water drop photos. That wild looking one, is that a converted bomber? And how far away from the ridge/people was he?
While driving I also miss several chances of some nice shots, like two sightings of a Lamborghini Murcielago driving right past me on the other side of the road, the OScar, a boxy black/yellow woodcar based on Volvo parts built in DK, an RDAF (I think) Hercules flying low overhead, a Beech V-Tail at Roskilde Airport etc. I btw have a Kodak digital camera, my first ever and it's a couple of years old but can even record video with audio :D
Frank
Title: Re: Some hand-picked pictures of some wild flying (any of you done similar?)
Post by: fireflyr on January 10, 2007, 04:17:15 PM
I wondered if the Otter could land because from the glide-paths I normally see then it would overshoot the runway and probably not be able to stop soon enough, but I guess I again lack real life knowledge :'(
Those are some great looking water drop photos. That wild looking one, is that a converted bomber? And how far away from the ridge/people was he?
While driving I also miss several chances of some nice shots, like two sightings of a Lamborghini Murcielago driving right past me on the other side of the road, the OScar, a boxy black/yellow woodcar based on Volvo parts built in DK, an RDAF (I think) Hercules flying low overhead, a Beech V-Tail at Roskilde Airport etc. I btw have a Kodak digital camera, my first ever and it's a couple of years old but can even record video with audio :D
Frank
Good questions Frank, The T-Otter will just about fall out off the sky w/full flaps, power back, and props pulled flat----but I'd better let S'mom elaborate on that since she's current and has much more time in them |:)\ The A/C in the drop picture is an SP2H which is a converted P2V Neptune the Navy used to use for anti-submarine patrol, the jet engines have been removed for wieght savings.
Title: Re: Some hand-picked pictures of some wild flying (any of you done similar?)
Post by: tundra_flier on January 11, 2007, 03:38:15 AM
It's in the picture for the McKinley strip. "Freak up and down drafts"
OH, Right! That is unusual terminology.
Only if you've never flown into there! ::unbelieveable:: Actually, they're very predictable, assuming you're landing into the wind, there's always a downdraft on approch, and always an updraft on departure. I've found the easiest way to deal with it is to make a steep approch, full flaps and power off, and aim for mid field.
As for distance, McKinley it's about a 1-1/2 mile walk to the resturants, but in the summer there's a shuttle from the Railroad, which is next to the runway. Manley, the Roadhouse is spitting distance from the tiedowns area, and they make a great burger and breakfast too. Delta you have a good mile walk to the Buffalo Center for a great Buffalo burger. GoldKing you've got about a 40 mile hike to Anderson for any kind of food, so pack your own. ;)
Phil
Title: Re: Some hand-picked pictures of some wild flying (any of you done similar?)
Post by: fireflyr on January 11, 2007, 08:47:43 PM
Got a 1600 ft sod strip (Shannon-SFO sectional) just north of here like that with cliff on the end of the runway. I've seen pilots using BUNCHES of power just to make the threshold because of downdrafts ::eek::
Think I'll skip Goldking---I mean I like hiking but there ain't no burger worth 40 miles.
Title: Re: Some hand-picked pictures of some wild flying (any of you done similar?)
Post by: tundra_flier on January 11, 2007, 08:53:06 PM
Actually, Manley is the hairiest one to get into. There can be some freak winds there too. And the runway is built up above the surrounding terrain 5 or 6 feet in places. that coupled with the width (33' according to FAA, but my wing tips hang over the sides) and it's not someplace you want to go on a breezy day. But the roadhouse is pretty nice. ;)
